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post #46 of 80

Agreed. The ATs can be a bit shouty for some that don't want the vocals emphasized that much. Certainly, I would pick an open AKG for classical over an ATH. But for anything heavy with vocals, I would go with ATH.

 

I don't really mind W1000 for classical per se, but in comparison, I do miss the spaciousness of an open headphone for that genre.

post #47 of 80
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

I'm really curious how these compare to the AKG k601 (which I love for female vocals), but I doubt anyone has heard both.


I have the AKG K501.  I find it to have better soundstage that the W1000.  On the other hand, the W1000 is warmer and has an involving, intimate presetation. 

 

All balanced, I like the W1000 much better than the K501 for vocals.

 

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post #48 of 80

It's just too bad that many of the good Audio Technica headphones are so hard to find in the USA NEW. Then if you can't find them you have to import them and pay a fortune.

Some day if I ever visit Japan I'll have to try to find a store where I can demo all of them! Or go to a meet.

 

Is there a headphone that sounds the most similar to the W1000? Is there perhaps one that is kind of like the W1000 but is open? Lately the open k601 has spoiled me.

Somehow I was actually thinking the W1000 was open. I don't know how I did that.

 

I'm hoping the W1000 doesn't sound anything like the ESW9a because I hated that headphone.

 

I'm just worried the W1000 may be too colored for me. I don't mind this a little bit. For example, I'm perfectly ok with forward upper mids and I actually prefer this a little.

I don't always need a perfectly neutral headphone, but that's usually what I go for.

 

The design of the W1000 has me worried since the AD700 doesn't fit my head.

post #49 of 80
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

Is there a headphone that sounds the most similar to the W1000? Is there perhaps one that is kind of like the W1000 but is open? Lately the open k601 has spoiled me.

Somehow I was actually thinking the W1000 was open. I don't know how I did that.

 


Answer: AD1000 Premium. (for me W1000 is a bit too colored anyway)

 

and W1000 doesn't sound like ESW9.

post #50 of 80
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

It's just too bad that many of the good Audio Technica headphones are so hard to find in the USA NEW. Then if you can't find them you have to import them and pay a fortune.

Some day if I ever visit Japan I'll have to try to find a store where I can demo all of them! Or go to a meet.

 

Yeah... the pictures I´ve seen from the Japanese stores are really awesome... tongue_smile.gif

 

Is there a headphone that sounds the most similar to the W1000? Is there perhaps one that is kind of like the W1000 but is open? Lately the open k601 has spoiled me.

Somehow I was actually thinking the W1000 was open. I don't know how I did that.

 

I'm hoping the W1000 doesn't sound anything like the ESW9a because I hated that headphone.

 

I'm just worried the W1000 may be too colored for me. I don't mind this a little bit. For example, I'm perfectly ok with forward upper mids and I actually prefer this a little.

I don't always need a perfectly neutral headphone, but that's usually what I go for.

 

The design of the W1000 has me worried since the AD700 doesn't fit my head.

 

I have an AD700.  Its size is identical to the W1000.  Sorry...

 


 

post #51 of 80


 


The design of the W1000 has me worried since the AD700 doesn't fit my head.

 

I have an AD700.  Its size is identical to the W1000.  Sorry...

 


 


That's too bad. Unfortunately with the AD700 I had it was so huge it felt like a massive fuzzy doughnut was resting against my cheeks and ear. No, I'm not joking! I don't even have a really small head. Yet the HD-600 has a lot of clamping force for me?! k601 has none!

post #52 of 80

The W1000 does have a little bit more clamping force than the AD700 but they are indeed quite large.

 

I'm sure you could find an open headphone with a similar sound signature to the W1000 but I don't know if you'd find one that has the same vocal intimacy and clarity which is what really makes the W1000 stand out IMO. Based on everything I've owned or tried the better AT woodies are unbeatable if you like upfront mids.

post #53 of 80
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Originally Posted by CFabian View Post

The W1000 does have a little bit more clamping force than the AD700 but they are indeed quite large.

 

I'm sure you could find an open headphone with a similar sound signature to the W1000 but I don't know if you'd find one that has the same vocal intimacy and clarity which is what really makes the W1000 stand out IMO. Based on everything I've owned or tried the better AT woodies are unbeatable if you like upfront mids.



I subscribe every word, except that I'm NOT sure that anyone could find an open HP with a similar sound: actually, I don't know any (including ATH AD2000, for example).

than again, "upfront mids" could also be defined as "lack of equilibrium among ranges" or "colour", but the overall result is that with the W1000 I can often listen to music and musicians, while with some other cans -better cans, if you judge by graphs and measurements only- I often listen to sound.

(ok, I admit it's a little bit provocative, but I guess you get what I mean)

post #54 of 80

Agreed. I think the AKGs probably come closest to what the W1000 sounds like in open form, but I have certainly never heard any headphone do what the W1000 can do in vocals unless it's a higher level ATH woodie. AKGs just lack the mids and lower mids. The K501 lacked the bass.

 

The AD2000 was a completely different sounding headphone, but maybe TheMiddleSky's AD1000prm sounds closer to the W1000?

 

Anyways, I'm enjoying my W1000s more than ever. The new tubes REALLY made a difference. Bigger soundstage, less grain, blacker background, smooth highs. I think the tubes may have burned in.

post #55 of 80

My K400 actually has a rather similar tonal balance to the W1000 (albeit with slightly more bass), but as implied elsewhere you won't get the upfront vocals that the W1000 offers because of the AKG's much wider soundstage. I've also owned a few open cans that do have very upfront vocals (such as the original AKG K141, which sound completely different from the W1000), but I do not know of any open headphone that has both the sound signature and forward vocals that you get with the W1000.

post #56 of 80
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Originally Posted by CFabian View Post

My K400 actually has a rather similar tonal balance to the W1000 (albeit with slightly more bass), but as implied elsewhere you won't get the upfront vocals that the W1000 offers because of the AKG's much wider soundstage. I've also owned a few open cans that do have very upfront vocals (such as the original AKG K141, which sound completely different from the W1000), but I do not know of any open headphone that has both the sound signature and forward vocals that you get with the W1000.



To me the K601 has fairly forward vocals for being an open headphone. Some say the k501 has the better vocals and others say it's the K601. I think it's safe to say the K601/K501 PROBABLY have better vocals than the K701. To my ears the K601 still has some of the best vocals out of any open headphone I've heard. For a closed can it's the DJ100, which not many people have tried. If I can find something with better vocals I'd be set. W1000 is on my list, but it's kind of too expensive for me at the moment. My DJ100 even does vocals better than my K601 to my ears!

 

I do agree that closed headphones always seem to have better, more forward vocals.

post #57 of 80

Listened to a couple of classical pieces today, going back to A-B select movements a number of times. I'm finding that a part of the sound signature of both the W1000 and W5000, includes congestion that tends to muddle some levels of the music to a certain extent. Being less congested the W5000 has a more open, airy, and freer sound than the W1000, and performs much better in allegro. As an aside, the Senn HD600 has those same three qualities (more open, airy, and freer) in comparison to the W5000.

 

Its not certain to me whether this congestion along with some nasal tonality, is mainly due to the foward mids of both phones or perhaps also partly caused by the closed wooden nature of the A-T designs. I can say that both wood-bodied closed phones have a reverberant effect that may be the cause of, or at least is adding to the feeling of the sound being congested. Again, the W1000 has a stronger reverberation than the W5000. This pretty much ties into the sentiment that as its forte, the W1000 tends to excel with a more intimate kind of music. The W1000 definitely has a much richer and more gratifying midrange than the W5000, but this in turn may very well make the latter a more versatile headphone. The W5000, while it cannot completely match the W1000 in its main strengths, has its own virtues while still retaining a good amount of the W1000's magic.

 

Also just a few early comments on the Yamamoto HA-02, which has been wired in since Mon evening. For the limited time in system, I'd have to say that I am very pleased. It definitely synergizes well with both the W1000 and the W5000, significantly enriching the mids and lower treble. 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the listening sequence that I used for part of this comparison. Clearly it wouldn't be very helpful to set such a program and attempt to force it to good effect. It was fruitful that all the way through there was motivation and desire to listen and learn.

 

Brahms Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Major: Hilary Hahn/Academy of St. Martin In The Fields/ Sir Neville Mariner

 

W1000: complete (3 movements)

W5000: 2nd movement (Adagio)

W1000: 2nd movement

W5000: 2nd movement

HD600: 2nd movement

W1000: 2nd movement (1st half)

W5000: 2nd movement (1st half)

HD600: 2nd movement (1st half)

W5000: 2nd movement (1st half)


Edited by pigmode - 12/30/10 at 9:33pm
post #58 of 80

Congrats on the Yamamoto pigmode!

 

Has your impression of W5000's soundstage changed dramatically? Your impressions are slightly saddening because the congestion is what I have the most difficulty with the W1000. I guess it was unrealistic to think the Yamamoto would miraculously cure it though.

 

Please listen to some nice vocals and tell us how much the W1000 improved with the Yamamoto!

post #59 of 80

^ I wouldn't get too down based on my comments above. One thing to keep in mind is that the Yamamoto, was more or less designed for the W1000, and may very well excel mainly with "smaller" music, as opposed to the sound of a full orchestra. Also my situation is only just coming together, but it is still in flux. The new cdp is due on 1/5 and once in place, should answer a few questions I have concerning my current temp CD/DVD player. I *suspect* that its CD playback is of such mediocre quality, that it may possibly be tilting the SQ enough to one side or another so as to shade my impressions. 

 

I have a much better grasp now of the W5000's sound signature--much more so than a few days ago. Its soundstaging is not as exaggerated at I suspected earlier, based on a couple of issues. First, I was comparing both the W1000 and W5000 in the first few hours after installing the Yamamoto. With less than a 5 hr run time, the amp was certainly still in a settling in period. Second, I was a bit surprised at the changes to the sound brought in by the Yama. It bloomed the W1000 in the same areas that the headphone is already heavily bent--its forward mids, especially including the upper mids, and lower highs. Compared to the presentation of the Corda HA-2, this change not only yielded a substantial richness to the W1000, but it also clearly brought to fore its congestive and compressive qualities. This congestion and compression definitely closes in and muddles the soundstage of the W1000, hence my misinterpretation with the W5000's soundstage.  

 

The intention is to burn-in both the new amp and cdp about 50-100 hr, before further critical listening sessions. I suspect that with the new cdp and a proper burn in, the sound of the W1000 will open up some. I'm also guessing that your amp has a less bloomy sound than mine does, and that you might not be experiencing as much compression and congestion as I am right now. 

 

I listened to The Tony Rice Unit - Unit of Measure this morning. In Tony Rice's guitar solo in "High Noon", the W1000 performed superbly in recreating Rice's Martin D-28. Most excellent.

post #60 of 80

I'm very appreciative of your honest impressions.

 

Am I right to assume that the Yamamoto makes the lower treble even more forward? I seems that I may not need more than what the WA6SE provides. What I have been looking for was a way to tame the low treble and high mids emphasis. I have become rather sensitive to treble lately due to not listening to music as much. I fear pushing the low treble out more would just enter shouting territory for me. But you are right. After the switch to 6EW7s, my W1000 definitely haven't been very congested. The 6EW7s make it easier for me to listen to the W1000s right now and the lower treble with them is more tamed. I feel, however, that a tad bit of sparkle was lost.

 

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Originally Posted by pigmode View Post

^ I wouldn't get too down based on my comments above. One thing to keep in mind is that the Yamamoto, was more or less designed for the W1000, and may very well excel mainly with "smaller" music, as opposed to the sound of a full orchestra. Also my situation is only just coming together, but it is still in flux. The new cdp is due on 1/5 and once in place, should answer a few questions I have concerning my current temp CD/DVD player. I *suspect* that its CD playback is of such mediocre quality, that it may possibly be tilting the SQ enough to one side or another so as to shade my impressions. 

 

I have a much better grasp now of the W5000's sound signature--much more so than a few days ago. Its soundstaging is not as exaggerated at I suspected earlier, based on a couple of issues. First, I was comparing both the W1000 and W5000 in the first few hours after installing the Yamamoto. With less than a 5 hr run time, the amp was certainly still in a settling in period. Second, I was a bit surprised at the changes to the sound brought in by the Yama. It bloomed the W1000 in the same areas that the headphone is already heavily bent--its forward mids, especially including the upper mids, and lower highs. Compared to the presentation of the Corda HA-2, this change not only yielded a substantial richness to the W1000, but it also clearly brought to fore its congestive and compressive qualities. This congestion and compression definitely closes in and muddles the soundstage of the W1000, hence my misinterpretation with the W5000's soundstage.  

 

The intention is to burn-in both the new amp and cdp about 50-100 hr, before further critical listening sessions. I suspect that with the new cdp and a proper burn in, the sound of the W1000 will open up some. I'm also guessing that your amp has a less bloomy sound than mine does, and that you might not be experiencing as much compression and congestion as I am right now. 

 

I listened to The Tony Rice Unit - Unit of Measure this morning. In Tony Rice's guitar solo in "High Noon", the W1000 performed superbly in recreating Rice's Martin D-28. Most excellent.

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