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Originally Posted by SursumCorda View Post

+1 on W4s being the HD650 of IEMs. Though I find the 650 does spacing/bass a bit better. (of course)
But in terms of value and what it gives.. the W4R is hard to beat.

I've heard this title belongs to the SM3, and if what you guys say are true about W4/R with the highs, I'll have to agree. I'll find out soon because I have both the SM3 and the HD650 and in just a few days will have the W4R.

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Do you guys think an amp really helps the W4 all that much?  I think I recall one member saying he purposely doesn't use an amp because it makes the bass less tight, a bit looser and more fun.

 

I generally find very little difference in performance with an amp with any of the Westone IEMs.

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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

Do you guys think an amp really helps the W4 all that much?  I think I recall one member saying he purposely doesn't use an amp because it makes the bass less tight, a bit looser and more fun.

 

I generally find very little difference in performance with an amp with any of the Westone IEMs.

I think they sound much better out of my HeadAmp Pico than out of my iPad/iPhone.

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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

Do you guys think an amp really helps the W4 all that much?  I think I recall one member saying he purposely doesn't use an amp because it makes the bass less tight, a bit looser and more fun.

 

I generally find very little difference in performance with an amp with any of the Westone IEMs.

Yes, I guess it is depends on your amp, mine was Fiio E1 and Fiio E11, somehow I couldn't barely notice at all with or without :-|

 

so more expensive amp is needed here I guess, something like RSA Predator and above.

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Originally Posted by Geruvah View Post

I've heard this title belongs to the SM3, and if what you guys say are true about W4/R with the highs, I'll have to agree. I'll find out soon because I have both the SM3 and the HD650 and in just a few days will have the W4R.

I'll be looking forward to your observations with the SM3 compared to the W4R. =)

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Originally Posted by Geruvah View Post

I've heard this title belongs to the SM3, and if what you guys say are true about W4/R with the highs, I'll have to agree. I'll find out soon because I have both the SM3 and the HD650 and in just a few days will have the W4R.


I'd be interested in reading a comparison btw the W4R and the SM3 as well.

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The more I listen to my newly acquired PFE232 on my Clip+, the more I find it to be slightly more fatiguing (highs) than I am comfortable with. If I had to predict, I think the PFE232 will be in the FS section shortly after I get my Studio-V DAP (my primary DAP which has a slight bright-sound leaning) back from exchange.

 

The W4 is standing the test of time!

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...and this is where a person really needs to spend a lot of time on this website to identify with other knowledgeable posters and what they perceive as extended treble or huge bass or lite bass, etc. and whether or not that coincides with your tastes as well.  In other words, once I found another poster or two that describe an IEM exactly as I would (do), I start to trust that poster's reviews on other products in the sense that if he really likes or dislikes it, then probably so will I.  But this takes months or longer. 

 

Having said that I have tons of respect for other reviewers as well even though their sense of big or little bass or treble is much different than what I would consider big or small so I just need to take that into account when reading and trying to decide.  It's actually part of what makes this hobby fun.

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The W4 seems to be pretty sweet so far. Why you so uncomfortable housings? =(

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pico slim with a w4 does wonders. but alters the w4 sound signature some what... it's not a bad thing either.

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Originally Posted by crossjeremiah View Post

I do agree with headphone addict. when they are paired with a desktop amp they are phenomenal. I just got my single power mpx 3 and it's just unreal that i'm listening to universal iems, cause they feel like full sized. I can close my eyes and point out the positions of the instruments.

 

I was amazed at how well my Woo WA6 and Eddie Current ZDT desktop amps perform with IEM when I first tried them 3 years ago.  Prior to that I had only tried portable amps with IEM, and thought craiglester was nuts when he told me that he was using my old Dark Voice 336i with his W3.  I also find my DACmini and EF2 desktop amps to be great with IEM.

 

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Originally Posted by killerweed View Post

Do you use custom sleeves with the W4? UM56? I think I read that somewhere. If so, how do they differ from universal tips sound-wise?

 

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Originally Posted by Geruvah View Post

How well is the UM56 Custom Adapter? Their site gives it a rating of 3 stars. This makes me wonder what people's experiences are to it SQ-wise and build quality-wise. I'll also assume the best material is silicone, not vinyl.

 

I've been using UM56 tips since mid 2007 when I got a set in vinyl, with my most recent silicone pair being made in late 2009 after I lost the first pair.  I find that they keep the sound balanced, and extend and open up the treble in the W4.  With my W3 they smooth out the treble and keep the bass well controlled, making the W3 sound like a warmer and punchier version of my UM3X.  They don't behave the same with every IEM, and they've always been better than the stock universal tips with any IEM I've tried them with (> grey, clear, triple flange, or foam tips).  I take that back - they made all my Westone IEM and my Klipsch Image X10 sound better, but didn't sound so good with the SE530.  I fell asleep with the SE530 and UM56 and woke up with a broken sound nozzle.  That's when I converted the SE530 into customs, which are slightly sibilant and not better than stock.

 

I thought the vinyl tips were easier to insert, and they hang onto the sound nozzle a little tighter.  The silicone tips however are more comfortable for extended listening periods.

 

I hope to compare them to the new tips soon, and I'll report on that later.


Edited by HeadphoneAddict - 11/27/12 at 12:52am
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

Do the silicone custom tips make that painful pop when you remove them? Sort of stuck between the isolation of the silicones and the overall ease of use on the vinyls. 

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I got my W4s last Friday and have been listening to them ever since. 

 

First impressions;

 

Soundstage: Impressive! Depth and width are truly phenomenal compared UM3X or GR10 but only slightly better than EPH-100 or SM3. 

 

Lows: About the same quality/quantity as SM3. UM3X sounds quite bloated next to W4. EPH-100 has the best bass response I have heard especially after 100hr burn-in.

 

Mids; Clarity is better than SM3 and UM3X but definitely not as good as GR10 and EPH-100. W4 sounds veiled compared to GR10 and EPH-100. Westone should have done a better job here.

 

Highs; Although it is not as sparkling as GR10, I think highs are very well balanced especially compared to non-exciting high's of UM3X,SM3 and EPH-100.

 

Overall; I think W4s are very good IEMs yet not exceptional at anything other than the soundstage. IMHO, when you can have EPH-100 for $150, W4 feels like a complete rip off at $450 or even at $350 (which is what I paid). Same thing is valid for SM3,UM3X and GR10 though. I guess this is why we have law of diminishing returns. If they were $250 I would have called them great value. Of course this is my opinion, please take it with grain of salt. 

 

Also, I would really like to have couple of words with the engineers at Westone regarding their ultra short nozzle choice. 


Edited by aras - 11/27/12 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by aras View Post

I got my W4s last Friday and have been listening to them ever since. 

 

First impressions;

 

Soundstage: Impressive! Depth and width are truly phenomenal compared UM3X or GR10 but only slightly better than EPH-100 or SM3. 

 

Lows: About the same quality/quantity as SM3. UM3X sounds quite bloated next to W4. EPH-100 has the best bass response I have heard especially after 100hr burn-in.

 

Mids; Clarity is better than SM3 and UM3X but definitely not as good as GR10 and EPH-100. W4 sounds veiled compared to GR10 and EPH-100. Westone should have done a better job here.

 

Highs; Although it is not as sparkling as GR10, I think highs are very well balanced especially compared non-exciting high's of UM3X,SM3 and EPH-100.

 

Overall; I think W4s are very good IEMs yet not exceptional at anything other than the soundstage. IMHO, when you can have EPH-100 for $150, W4 feels like a complete rip off at $450 or even at $350 (which is what I paid). Same thing is valid for SM3,UM3X and GR10 though. I guess this is why we have law of diminishing returns. If they were $250 I would have called them great value. Of course this is my opinion, please take it with grain of salt. 

 

Also, I would really like to have couple of words with the engineers at Westone regarding their ultra short nozzle choice. 

 

Short nozzle I guess that is intentionally made so that it doesn't break easily.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I think they sound much better out of my HeadAmp Pico than out of my iPad/iPhone.

To me there is a very noticeable difference in using the integrated amp circuit on the Itouch (4th gen) and the classic (6th) and using an external amp. I notice improvement in the tightness of bass mostly not just with IEMs but with efficient headphones as well like the K550.

I do however not have this problem at all using the Clip+ and the Clip Zip (rockboxed) and I just got a Fuze+ in the mail which I am going to put to the test.

Any time I use an Ipod I automatically pair it with the E11. The ipad3 on the other hand (which I only actually use for movies, no music) I find a better sounding output than most ipods.

My primary source for the W4 is the clip zip.
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