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Originally Posted by soullinker20 View Post

 

 

are you that sensitive to brightness?

 

I noticed that too but it's just too little difference brightness between um3x and w4.. I noticed this on Taylor Swift's Sparks fly.. @ chorus on the w4, it sounds a bit brighter but no sign of causing fatigue whereas on the um3x there's no hint of any brightness.. i don't know if that much forward mids of the um3x caused this..

 

on the other hand, it still sounds natural and full and more musical and still intimate on the w4..

 

Not terribly sensitive I don't think.  It was just an interesting comment I wasn't expecting so I thought I'd check.  My CKM50's are pretty bright to me so that's the only thing I can compare to (for now). 

 

*Edit: I tried the UE600 for 2 weeks and there were a few times I put them in and liked them but for the most part, they sounded veiled. It sounded like the singer was up front and the band was behind a curtain. I do think this had a lot to do with the fit but I hate comply foams. 


Edited by vocalist - 4/18/12 at 9:33pm
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Not terribly sensitive I don't think.  It was just an interesting comment I wasn't expecting so I thought I'd check.  My CKM50's are pretty bright to me so that's the only thing I can compare to (for now). 

 

in fact if you back read on this thread you'll see that other people says that both w4/um3x sound veiled to them but in my case like what i posted earlier, it would just sound veiled if you happen to come from a bright iem or may not sound veiled still as like on |joker|'s reviews..

 

the midbass is slightly emphasized on the w4 and I can say that compared to ex1000 (bright), you will find the upper mids on the w4 lacking which makes them almost free from fatigueness and dark sounding but highly detailed iem..

 

you won't have any problems with the westones signature I guess especially on the w4, but if you want a unique presentation and supreme focus on instrument separation and imaging ---> um3x

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Has anyone tried the W4 with a fiio e17?

I really like my W4's, but coming from a B2 I often wish that the high end had a bit more energy.  I was considering getting a udac-2 or a ibasso d4 since people have said they have good synergy with the W4, but the e17 also looks interesting with its treble boost function.  Can anyone recommend a good colored amp that will boost the highs a bit?

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How does the w4s keep up with the JH 11 ?? cuz i was thinking to do a re-shell.....   

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Originally Posted by soullinker20 View Post

 

 

in fact if you back read on this thread you'll see that other people says that both w4/um3x sound veiled to them but in my case like what i posted earlier, it would just sound veiled if you happen to come from a bright iem or may not sound veiled still as like on |joker|'s reviews..

 

the midbass is slightly emphasized on the w4 and I can say that compared to ex1000 (bright), you will find the upper mids on the w4 lacking which makes them almost free from fatigueness and dark sounding but highly detailed iem..

 

you won't have any problems with the westones signature I guess especially on the w4, but if you want a unique presentation and supreme focus on instrument separation and imaging ---> um3x

 

I ordered them (W4) so hopefully next week I can share my appreciation.  Thanks for the help! beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by soullinker20 View Post

 

 

in fact if you back read on this thread you'll see that other people says that both w4/um3x sound veiled to them but in my case like what i posted earlier, it would just sound veiled if you happen to come from a bright iem or may not sound veiled still as like on |joker|'s reviews..

 

the midbass is slightly emphasized on the w4 and I can say that compared to ex1000 (bright), you will find the upper mids on the w4 lacking which makes them almost free from fatigueness and dark sounding but highly detailed iem..

 

you won't have any problems with the westones signature I guess especially on the w4, but if you want a unique presentation and supreme focus on instrument separation and imaging ---> um3x

 

I ordered them (W4) so hopefully next week I can share my appreciation.  Thanks for the help! beerchug.gif



nice! hope you'll like them as much as I do cool.gif
post #2857 of 5326
yesterday I had the chance to A/B these withe ie80..
can't believe how very huge the soundstage of the ie80's were .. i felt the midbass was still there..
it really feels like you're in a concert but very far away from the stage and it sounds natural and very airy especially on the highs but was too much very distant sounding for my liking
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does any feel that these NEED an amp to work efficiently or properly?  and if so would an cmoybb, e7 or e11 improve the sound signature?  is it worth purchasing an amp if listening out of an ipod lod/headphone out and blackberry playbook headphone out?

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I think these do improve from amping, but they don't need to be amped. Its a small improvement, but I think they like the extra juice. It would only be worth it, imo, if you're using a line out.

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the w4s for me are unbelievable when paired with the Headstage Arrow 4g
the bass becomes more rounded, deeper and whole.
thi highs opens up more and becomes very close or on par in details with the k3003 and livelier without being fatiguing
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the w4s for me are unbelievable when paired with the Headstage Arrow 4g
the bass becomes more rounded, deeper and whole.
thi highs opens up more and becomes very close or on par in details with the k3003 and livelier without being fatiguing

 

Sounds stellar!

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also adding up to the unbelivable experience with it, soundstage will be wider and deeper becoming the perfect soundstage i've heard yet..

it will be an on stage experience like on the ie80s or fx700s but this time a full bodied very detailed and realistic sound that can go toe-to-toe with the dynamic drivers

with the Arrow 4g, i felt they are invulnerable and would destroy anyone that comes in their way (except for customs)
even the sm3s which i prefer on a line out will be left to dust on this kind of setup because of how perfect the soundstage would be ..

it may seem to be exaggerated but u really gotta try it : )
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W4 vs SM3

 

it's a close call between the two. but if it's line out vs line out on my iPod 7g, then it's

SM3>W4 for me..

if both paired with the arrow 4g (damn ceph for this)

W4>>SM3 

the w4 becomes a demi God almost seem invulnerable for me except for the Gods (Customs)  ;D

I find myself yearning for the SM3s more when i listen to the w4 but coming from the SM3s to w4 just felt fine and nothing wrong.


W4 vs SM3

line out:

even with line out only for me, still the w4 bests the sm3 in almost everything (resolution) except for the imaging and soundstage
but I really prefer the SM3s for its more bass quantity and deeper, laid back highs sound more realistic to me, the imaging and lastly the huge surround soundstage which made my w4 sound obviously congested after being exposed to the SM3s.. the soundstage and imaging of the SM3s are unique, i felt that its soundstage could be very well utilized by the song. It's kinda overwhelming because it can also go toe-to-toe or very close with the ie80s gargantuan soundstage despite being a closed iem

MIDS are very liquid on the SM3s but for me this is where I find the W4 much better for my liking.. i already made an extensive side by side with the miss but i find the sm3's mids lacking a bit in clarity while on the w4 it sounds more fuller and real to my ears that I can hear the lips of the artist pouting on a song more convincingly than the SM3 (Domino by Jessie J @ bridge)
but i'm nitpicking too much here and if i'd wish that it also sound like on the w4s, then it's not earsonics signature anymore so it is very good on its own right.

HIGHS
i also favor the `sm3s having a very very good detail (on-par with w4) and quantity
it sounds more real on the sm3 than on the heavy highs of the w4

the soundstage is where the sm3s shine more than the w4
the SM3s make you listen to the music as a whole the details of the song is spaced out and utilizes the soundstage. it's also there on the w4 but it takes more effort from me to hear the micro details. 
the details and micro details are just the same with the W4 but again with the sm3s huge soundstage i can hear the sound from its starting point, til it reaches its whole sound down to its very last decay. this obviously sounds congested on the w4

it's like a bubble wrapped up to your head where the mids are surrounded by the details
it's like you are standing there with the band and you hear ever the guitar and other instruments like they are beside you having an ample distance but this kind of imaging is quite polarizing on the hiphop/RnB/Rap genre, it takes away the intimacy the vocals sound distant. the um3x beats this easily on this genre

it is a stage monitor and the way I see it, everything is just there in the picture. the um3x is best on focusing on instruments and doesn't sound muffled no matter how crowded the song gets to.


the w4 gets your attention to its details while the SM3s presents it in a natural way and may take some effort to the listener to hear the details because of the smaller soundstage


where the w4 bests SM3:

like i said earlier the w4 bests the sm3s when it comes to resolution. i also find the w4 an upgrade over the sm3s when it comes to refinement

the bass is tuned for quality over quantity. it also reaches deep enough having more resolution especially on the mid bass department than the sm3. it has enough punch to satisfy me giving way for the mid bass to shine. there are songs that the SM3s struggle and sound muffled on the electric guitars but the w4 handles it easily showing that obvious very good resolution making it more easy to understand but also being more analytical than the SM3

MIDS
it sounds more natural in tone and fuller than the sm3. like what is said on the review on the head-fi, it has that natural distance between the listener so it sounds convincing, intimate, exact, real and never recessed for me on every song while on the sm3s, sometimes it lacks the intimacy because of the setting of the song and its front and center vocal presentation. it never sounds recessed either but the vocal quality sometimes really left me reaching for the w4s.

HIGHS
having more quantity and at the same time very detailed and packs a lot of weight and extension

Instrument Separation
both are very good but the w4 is just that better on separation because of the obviously more resolution on the entire spectrum. the sm3s don't lag either but when it comes to a crowded song, the electric guitars sound a bit off and hard to understand because of the more bass quantity. the imaging is very much different, the sm3s don't have that forward projection and is a surround soundstage showing very good space on the instruments. on the w4 all is placed in front of you but next to the sm3s it still has enough space on the instruments and sounds more refined (bright) a bit


the SM3s for me are really true to the song , sometimes when a song calls for more highs, it delivers and surprises me in a way that it could also have a lot in quantity like the w4. i really prefer the highs than the w4, when paired on my laptop, the highs are excellent for me. the w4 shows the highs very sweet and a bit louder but on the sm3s, it is indeed very sweet and i can almost picture on my mind the CYMBAL crashing up and down which i didn't find on the w4. Also the sm3s for me have more spark than the w4


W4 & SM3 featuring Headstage Arrow4G

the SM3s don't benefit much from it only giving a bit more impact and a bass like that of the dynamic drivers


the W4 becomes a demi God from it and becoming the exact sound and everything that i was asking for
imagine the excellent resolution on the mid bass department then the arrow 4g adding depth to it making it perfect sub bass punch and very rounded like the SM3s rounded bass. the rumble sounds perfect never deficient. the bass becomes very dynamic and is able to go toe-to-toe with the DDs and could even beat it easily. the ex1000's bass is the best bass i've heard but vs the w4, it makes the sub bass of the w4 weak but the resolution of the w4 makes the ex1000s mid bass a bit muffled
for me

the MIDS become a bit warmer and fuller and still intimate


the HIGHS are extraordinary on this one. even if i can picture the cymbals crashing on the sm3s the arrow gives a lot of boost on the w4s highs giving more spark and very realistic sound. the best of i can think of is  the shutter speed of a high end camera, 
when a cymbal is smashed, the W4 puts them in spades like how the camera captures every movement

the presentation even becomes very more impressive. what makes it more impressive is how the Arrow 4g makes the w4s soundstage larger not too wide and not too deep that I find the best and perfect soundstaging where every detail and instrument is presented very nice and doesn't sound congested anymore.

it puts you in a perfect position. like a Conductor in the middle of the orchestra, you see and hear every sound that starts and rises till it fades. there is no detail that passes by that you won't notice it. 

final verdict:

I would prefer much the SM3s over W4 when listening to it line out only.. it is already very good without an amp whereas it also takes time to get accustomed to its unique imaging. after being exposed to it it makes my w4s sound underpowered and really need an amp like the arrow 4g to shine and get its full potential. the SM3s imho only need a good dac  like on my laptop (neutral) to maximize the soundstage. the w4 also sound good on it but made the bass really lacking but also giving more resolution to it especially on the highs.

for now it's SM3>=W4

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Good Job!

 

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Anything comparable to the Westone 4s in a dynamic driver IEM?

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