Originally Posted by metalsonata
My point is that if every song is a climax it just gets tiresome. That'd be like watching a film where the entire movie is climax--climax is not the only quality in film worth seeking out. Build-up, character development, denoument, set up--you expect all the pieces to be there, and for all of them to work together to produce a stronger whole. Climax is not strong when taken independently of the remaining parts--none of these 'parts' are strong when taken independently. I feel that albums are the same. I would struggle to name you my favorite songs of all time, but I could easily name you my favorite albums, because I rarely listen to songs independently of their album, their 'framework.' I realize that this is all subjective (and maybe slightly crazy?), but I would argue (I think successfully) that good balance is a desirable trait to be found in albums and contributes to an album's perceived 'flawlessness.' I mean, this whole exercise is pretty subjective anyways, so slightly different criteria for determining perfection shouldn't upset the end result any. Not to mention there really is not an end result--unless we are all going to vote on the nominations at some point or something. :-P
Great response metal, but I'm not so sure you can compare movies with music like that. Movies are about telling a story or getting across some sort of moral or message. I understand the concept of an album as a holistic entity and not just a string of independent songs that happen to coincide on the same cd, but I don't think this is always the case. There are plenty of instrumental and electronic artists that put out albums that are just a set of songs they happened to write at the time, with no intrinsic ties outside of the those related to the genre. Does that mean that because there is no story to the album its a crappy album? No, it could be one of the most complex and musically rich albums as anything else...
I don't disagree about variety and balance, I'm just not willing to sacrifice musicality for contextual meaning. I'm a classically trained violinist, and what matters to me is the how musical value of the notes compose a song , not how the song sounds in relation to the song before or after it.
As far as subjectivity, criteria, and end result...what if perhaps the OP wanted to see if there actually did exist an album that was *perfect* from start to finish. notice how he didnt just start posting his top 20 favorite artists and albums...
Originally Posted by Kirnupiima
No, personally I will not subject to describing flawless albums as having no flaws or absolute perfection. Album is an art form.
****ty is your own word, I said worse. Because as metalsonata said, having equally great songs make the album sound dull. That's why the small things, such as a lesser song might boost the whole package to another level. A finishing touch, an ugly cherry on top.
Completely disagree for the reasons stated above.
Originally Posted by Kirnupiima
^I'll also gladly go down as crazy, then.
The rest is something I did not dare to bring up. You said it well.
Just list and lists of records of a person's obviously favorite band isn't worth much, IMO. That's why this is important.
Then people aren't being honest with themselves if they list all their favorite band's records... like I said before, I love music just as much as the next person but I've yet to come across a PERFECT or FLAWLESS album. Which is what this thread is all about.
Edited by steelle - 12/11/12 at 12:18pm