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Triple Fi 10 - Is this a joke?

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I received my triple fi's today from the amazon deal.  I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.  To put it bluntly, the sound quality is atrocious.  The triple fi sound substantially worse than the 20 dollar pair of v-modas I also ordered.  The bass response is impressive, but not great.  The mids and highs sound about as recessed as my stock iphone earbuds.  I'm starting to wonder if the shape of my ears is literally impossible to seal with the provided foamies.  Even so, I would think that holding them in with constant pressure would be enough to make a seal (either it wasn't, or the sound is simply that bad).  When I got home from work, I was able to compare them to my shure se210s.  The 210 has slightly less bass response, but the clarity in all tonal ranges blows the triple fi's out of the water.  I was expecting an upgrade, out of something that retails for 3 times the price.

 

So what am I looking at here?

 

1.  It's possible they might be defective.  All of the reviews I've read said nothing negative aside from build quality and design (both are piss poor), but it seems unlikely that both sides would be equally or similarly affected.  I could try to send them back to UE if there is any chance of a defect.

 

2.  These are either a batch of seconds, built from parts that didn't make the cut for normal retail, or are knockoffs (seems a lot less likely).  Some sketchy quality problem that resulted in the discount.

 

3.  They simply do not fit in my ears, and I won't be able to hear them properly until I get them remolded (which I have now read also diminishes sound quality).  This seems possible, though I really do think I was able to get a seal.  If it matters that the end of the tube actually go inside your ear canal, these may never fit me due to the borderline comically large diameter of the bud tip.

 

4.  They require some kind of significant burn in.  I'm not sure if this is true for any IEMs, or for the triple fi's in particular.  I would be relieved to hear that I should check back after 48 hours of pink noise.

 

TL;DR  My roommates and I have some earbuds.  After some comparison testing, this is how I would rank them in overall sound quality:

 

1.  Shure se530  

2.  Shure se210

3.  V-moda vibe

4.  Triple Fi 10

5.  iPhone earbuds

 

 

*************UPDATE**************

 

Well, I finally figured it out.  I was under the impression that I'd gotten the fit situation resolved, but I could not have been more wrong.  Tonight I tried pushing the phones into my ears and wiggling them slowly.  I found that in one exact position, the seal completed and the SQ increased astronomically.  I still like the sound better with the treble boost EQ, but it was a matter of night and day.  Comparative listening, or even analytical listening is quite difficult when constant pressure and precise positioning are required to produce excellent SQ.  None the less, it is clearly there.

 

The conclusion I've come to is that I have tiny ear canals, and these massive monitors just don't fit.  I tried 9 different styles of tips (5 that came with the triple fi and 4 that came with the vmoda).  I found that all but the smallest vmoda tip worked its way out of my ear the instant I stopped holding it in.  The smallest size simply wouldn't seal.  I went ahead and ordered some of the alternative tips people recommend in this thread.  I have my doubts, but I'm hoping one of them will get me rolling here.  If not, its time to put in a serious listening session and decide if these are worth custom shelling.

 

Thanks for the input everyone, I KNEW something just wasn't right here.


Edited by morph2k4 - 12/3/10 at 12:04pm
post #2 of 186

I had problems with the fit with mine as well, however, its only because i have super tiny ears. The pairs that i recieved all sound great. 

post #3 of 186

Sounds like a fit problem is the most likely explanation. 

Have you tried some of Logitech's/UE's suggestions? http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12229/section/troubleshoot/crid/439/lt_product_id/5620/tabs/1,3,2,4/cl/us,en/kw/

post #4 of 186

mine sound amazing, not sure what's up with yours 

post #5 of 186

I had to wear mine reversed, and using the XS Audio Technica tips that one can get here before I had anything like a comfortable fit.  The kind of music I listen to now, being so radically different to what I used to listen to years ago, prompted me to sell mine in the end.

post #6 of 186

They're not lacking bass so fit should be close enough. You don't like them. Others love them. I'm not a big fan either but like them more than you do as they offer a lot more clarity than the V moda. Of the 3 UEs I owned, I thought the 3s were the most natural even though they were limited and did the least. They also did the least wrong. Even though they're BAs, I'd run them in a bit and see what happens. They're still good IEMs at that price even though I had little interest in ordering them again.

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

they offer a lot more clarity than the V moda.

 

Thats just the thing though, the most lacking quality is clarity.  I literally feel like theres a centimeter thick layer of foam in between the sound source and my ear (no the ear foams are not blocking my ears).  

 

Anyways, I sat down to take another crack at this today.  It honestly helped a lot to not beat up my ears trying to find a fit.  I think I've managed to figure out how to seat these in my ears, though the design is still wildly inferior to even the low end shure models which sort of lock into your ear.  

 

The mids and highs were still horribly recessed to the point of making many of my favorite songs unrecognizable.  In desperation, I switched on the EQ and started fiddling with it.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it turns out the trebble booster preset resolves most of my complaints about the sound.  With that set up, the clarity is suddenly comparable to the other headphones I own, putting the tripple fi's in a much more reasonable place.  

 

That said, needing to EQ for specific headphones while using an mp3 playing phone is a colossal pain in the ass :(

post #8 of 186

The treble on the TF10 is good so I wonder if it is a fit issue. I had to flip them and use sony hybrids just to get a decent fit on them without it causing my ears pain.

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

they offer a lot more clarity than the V moda.

 

Thats just the thing though, the most lacking quality is clarity.  I literally feel like theres a centimeter thick layer of foam in between the sound source and my ear (no the ear foams are not blocking my ears).  

 

Anyways, I sat down to take another crack at this today.  It honestly helped a lot to not beat up my ears trying to find a fit.  I think I've managed to figure out how to seat these in my ears, though the design is still wildly inferior to even the low end shure models which sort of lock into your ear.  

 

The mids and highs were still horribly recessed to the point of making many of my favorite songs unrecognizable.  In desperation, I switched on the EQ and started fiddling with it.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it turns out the trebble booster preset resolves most of my complaints about the sound.  With that set up, the clarity is suddenly comparable to the other headphones I own, putting the tripple fi's in a much more reasonable place.  

 

That said, needing to EQ for specific headphones while using an mp3 playing phone is a colossal pain in the ass :(

 

Maybe your phone is just having trouble driving them for some reason, try using them in something else. Also, what music are you listening to?

post #10 of 186
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Maybe your phone is just having trouble driving them for some reason, try using them in something else. Also, what music are you listening to?

 

I did all of my testing on my computer through a PCI soundcard and a cheap amp with FLACs.  Not high quality parts by any means, but more than enough to drive all of the full size headphones I own.

 

The music is mostly electronica and rock.  Bust-a-move by Infected Mushroom is my general purpose reference track.

post #11 of 186
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Originally Posted by drizek View Post
Maybe your phone is just having trouble driving them for some reason, try using them in something else. Also, what music are you listening to?

 

I did all of my testing on my computer through a PCI soundcard and a cheap amp with FLACs.  Not high quality parts by any means, but more than enough to drive all of the full size headphones I own.

 

The music is mostly electronica and rock.  Bust-a-move by Infected Mushroom is my general purpose reference track.



You might have the dreaded output impedance issue w/ your setup that other TF10 owners have had.  Sounds like something going on w/ the Xover.

post #12 of 186

Well I would have to say to the OP it's not a joke. That's about how I heard the TF10 when received mine from the same deal last year. I found the bass to be wonderful, the treble was decent, but the mids sucked big time. Vocals sounded unnatural and I was able to get a great fit. Just wasn't my cup of tea. There is a reason why I rank the TF10 last in sound quality out of all of the BA IEMs I'ver heard. I really would rate it last out of all IEMs I've heard.

post #13 of 186

Im about to buy se530, and wondering why you ranked it 2nd to last. Is it because you are a basshead?

post #14 of 186

Good question @ JosephKim. No, I just simply enjoyed the others IEMs sound signatures more (including liking the SE535 more than the SE530). The SE530 is a good sounding IEM in the grand scheme of things. But the TF10 is dead last for a reason (just didn't express how much I disliked it in my signature below, but I have expressed that opinion on various other threads many times).

 

I should add that the TF10 responds well to amplification, and that helped the sound somewhat for my ears (using a little uDAC).
 

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Im about to buy se530, and wondering why you ranked it 2nd to last. Is it because you are a basshead?I


Edited by ericp10 - 12/1/10 at 1:31pm
post #15 of 186

i had to flip L and R then have the cable face downwards coming down at a -20 degree angle (as opposed to wrapped around my ears) to get it in my ear to sound correctly. they have been great...

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