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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

I'm a little confused in that I saw online that RCA interconnec cables such as Cardas and Furutech end up turning into Silver Dragons and whatnot...

 

I am not knowledgeable so much. I just wanted to get a pair of awesome RCA interconnects from Cardas - I was thinking Quadlink - because my budget is around $250 for a pair of 1 or 1.5 ft RCA interconnects. How does Moon Audio enhance the original cables? I am not clear at all from reading the website as to what exactly he was improving?

 

Anyone got recommendations about the Dragon line.. how do they compare with Cardas originals??

 

H

 

PS - I'm a fan of clear neutral sounds - balanced and detailed...

post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by Syan25 View Post

I'm a little confused in that I saw online that RCA interconnec cables such as Cardas and Furutech end up turning into Silver Dragons and whatnot...

 

I am not knowledgeable so much. I just wanted to get a pair of awesome RCA interconnects from Cardas - I was thinking Quadlink - because my budget is around $250 for a pair of 1 or 1.5 ft RCA interconnects. How does Moon Audio enhance the original cables? I am not clear at all from reading the website as to what exactly he was improving?

 

Anyone got recommendations about the Dragon line.. how do they compare with Cardas originals??

 

H

 

PS - I'm a fan of clear neutral sounds - balanced and detailed...



Hi Syan25

 

These cables will not make one iota of meaningful difference to the sound of your system over any reasonably made standard interconnect cable.

 

You will read all kinds of reviews etc. suggesting otherwise, but these reviews are not conducted blind.

 

What you are reading about is simply reports of auto-suggestion.

 

These magic cables are a simple con. Don't be fooled by this. Spend you money on things that are honestly designed to bring about improvements in fidelity, not this rubbish.

post #3 of 22

You could always make your own cables, it costs maybe $50-$100 (thats on the higher side) for all the parts and a soldering iron. That's what I'll be doing this xmas holiday XD. 

post #4 of 22

250$ for a pair of one foot interconnects, then you know someone is ripping you off.

 

For a real world, well crafted, no-nonsense alternative, I present to you: Blue Jeans Cables

post #5 of 22

X2 on Blue Jeans Cables.  Excellent build quality, which is the only thing that matters.  These are the least expensive well-made cables.

post #6 of 22

 

Syan25 - ignore the troll that's never tried any good quality cable, and only speaks from ignorance.
 
instead find out for yourself - it might surprise you. Carda make some good quality built cable, recommended . also check Audiogon for auctions, or used. personally, if was looking for a pair of IC's I'd  try these ones. make sure they come with a return policy, in case you wish to do so.
 
x2 on Blue Jeans' for good built least expensive cables.

Edited by Lenni - 11/28/10 at 2:09pm
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Lenni View Post

 

Syan25 - ignore the troll that's never tried any good quality cable, and only speaks from ignorance.
 
instead find out for yourself - it might surprise you. Carda make some good quality built cable, recommended . also check Audiogon for auctions, or used. personally, if was looking for a pair of IC's I'd  try these ones. make sure they come with a return policy, in case you wish to do so.
 
x2 on Blue Jeans' for good built least expensive cables.


I suspect I have listened to very many more cables than Lenni has. I have been listening to music through high quality audio systems since the 70s.

 

If you tell yourself that these silly expensive cables will make a difference, then you will hear a difference.

 

The problem is that when that auto-suggestion wears off you will discover that you have wasted a lot of money on non-sense.

 

A fairly good clue that these expensive cables are a rip off is simply to look at what they consist of materially, you can see that they are made for a fraction of the absurd prices being asked.

 

Remember these expensive cables have absolutely no research and development costs whatsoever.

 

I could tell you quite a few funny stories about these ridiculous cables. I remember, for example, when silver cables first arrived in the UK, where I live. These were introduced by Audio Note UK. When silver cables actually arrived we were told that they "smoothed out treble" amongst other things. And wouldn't you know but the "golden ears" would buy these silver cables and report that their treble had become wonderfully smooth!

 

Now, that was back in the late 80s. Today however the cable marketing people have decided that consumers don't want to smooth out their treble, so, amazingly, the sonic qualities of silver have changed! Today the same silver cables are sold to "cure darkness" or even "brighten treble".

 

So, I say to Syan25, please don't get pulled in by this silly nonsense.

 

I will say that those Blue Jeans cables look like a good sensible buy.

post #8 of 22

Re cable construction, the Cardas are easily some of the best made, solid quality connectors, patented construction, etc. I liked the sound of Cardas Golden Reference when I had them, and any of the Cardas line would probably be a good match with your McIntosh stuff. Haven't tried Moon Audio.

 

You'll see several of us firing warning shots across your bow, "don't believe what you read; all cables are the same, including coat hangers" and "cables make a difference." Well, trust your own judgement and take both sides with a grain of salt. Personally, I've found cables make a difference, and have enjoyed the musical results (what it's all about). Try it out and see if it makes a difference for you. If it doesn't make a difference, then return them for a refund. Just find a reputable dealer to work with.   

 

EDIT: Lenni's suggestion re Audiogon is a good one. Do a search for either company and see what's available. 


Edited by Rdr. Seraphim - 11/28/10 at 6:18pm
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys! Of course I want quality build - but my main focus is clear, neutral sound - nothing that colors the sound but provides great sonic detail. Personally, I also question that silver could be any better than copper....I do agree with Patrick that some companies change their way of advertising to sell their products. 

 

I will definitely take a look at Cardas, Audiogon and Blue Jeans. If they ship to Taiwan, then I will be happy. 

 

 

Thanks again!!

Hervie

post #10 of 22

Few commercially made cables in the lengths you are looking for will have enough capacitance to change the sound. Some manufacturers may introduce extra capacitance intentionally and say that it will make your digital source sound more 'vinyl like'. rolleyes.gif idk

That and electromagnetic interference are the only things I can think of that will make an interconnect 'sound' less transparent. From long time usage of unshielded cables in an environment I have no reason to believe is especially clean, I suspect EMI to be of low concern in most cases, though I guess there would be no harm in having a proper shield just to be on the safe side.


Edited by limpidglitch - 11/29/10 at 10:25pm
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

OMG - The price for the Cardas Quadlink - $250 - I thought it was for the pair - not one only! OMG.... The price of the others seems ridiculous...especially if only for one...I think that is way over -priced

 

Maybe I am having a nightmare - I know quality cables can cost more - but not this much! Holy!

post #12 of 22

The price is per pair, not each leg. However, the length is only .5M. You might want to consider something longer for convenience and practicality. 
 

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Originally Posted by Syan25 View Post

OMG - The price for the Cardas Quadlink - $250 - I thought it was for the pair - not one only! OMG.... The price of the others seems ridiculous...especially if only for one...I think that is way over -priced

 

Maybe I am having a nightmare - I know quality cables can cost more - but not this much! Holy!

post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 

I can certainly go for 1 Meter. Wouldn't need a longer one. However I am very impressed by reading up on the Blue Jeans - 

 

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/audio/index.htm

 

Looking at this - it would seem the 

Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 Low Capacitance Audio Cable ( 12.2 pF/ft)

 

would have lower capacitance than the Cardas Quadlink I was thinking of getting...

 

WOW!! And a whole lot cheaper...

post #14 of 22

Bluejeans are practical. Can't beat the price, good quality! You can't (won't) lose either way. 

post #15 of 22

Bluejeans or build your own. The prices of interconnects have become ludicrous.

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