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post #16 of 31

I burned mine with music and it worked. The bass is just right at the moment, however I still hate they way the sound with some music, with other music they are great. Very weird headphone, Grado didn't have that, it was much more balanced overall.

post #17 of 31

ilia7777,

 

Can you expand on what you just said?  I'm in the market for an inexpensive closed headphone that can complement my K 702 and the HFI-580 is on my short list.

 

For the music that you hate the 580 with, what did it not do well?

Similarly, what did it do well with the music you liked it with?

 

Thanks!

post #18 of 31

HFI 580 FTW. i had much more fun listening to those than the 780. They complement your 701s in almost a 180 degree way. Much more energy, very upfront soundstage, plenty of bass kick

post #19 of 31

ktsai1283 I have HFI 780, I never listened to HFI 580. They are great for electronic music, the sound stage, the surrround effect, the bass etc. But for heavy metal and rock, they just don't do it, its kind of hard to explain, the guitars and cymbals just don't sound natural. Overall IMHO I would not recommend you this headphone, its not very comfortable, it needs cable upgrade, it needs amplification and its not universal. I have to admit I don't like it that much overall. I listened to DENON AH-D5000 last week at high end audio store here in Toronto it sounds just so much better overall. It was connected to very good tube amp, but even directly from my iphone the sound was great. The DENON is way above it in terms of comfort and design as well. I know AH-D5000 is in different league, but people say that sound of AH-D2000 is very close to it.  Grado beats it too for heavy metal and rock as well, but I'm not buying any more Grado's cause they just too harsh on my ears.

post #20 of 31

I posted here that I don't like my new Etymotic HF5, but what I noticed is that the sound seriously improved with very little burn in and to my surprise I begin to like it, beleive it or not but I like my heavy metal much more in these than in HFI 780. It has very small sound stage and very little bass but the detail is awesome, the mids are great and most importantly the sound is not tiring. So Ultrasone is overrated on my opinion.

post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by ilia7777 View Post

ktsai1283 I have HFI 780, I never listened to HFI 580. They are great for electronic music, the sound stage, the surrround effect, the bass etc. But for heavy metal and rock, they just don't do it, its kind of hard to explain, the guitars and cymbals just don't sound natural. Overall IMHO I would not recommend you this headphone, its not very comfortable, it needs cable upgrade, it needs amplification and its not universal. I have to admit I don't like it that much overall. I listened to DENON AH-D5000 last week at high end audio store here in Toronto it sounds just so much better overall. It was connected to very good tube amp, but even directly from my iphone the sound was great. The DENON is way above it in terms of comfort and design as well. I know AH-D5000 is in different league, but people say that sound of AH-D2000 is very close to it.  Grado beats it too for heavy metal and rock as well, but I'm not buying any more Grado's cause they just too harsh on my ears.



Uh, you are comparing the headphones to one's that cost twice (and over) as much..

post #22 of 31

Well Denon AH-D2000 on amazon is only about 30 bucks more expensive than HFI 780. The only thing I can say is that if I had a choice today I wouldn't buy HFI 780. If you want I can sell it to you for the price of 580, its only few weeks old with completed burn in :) 

post #23 of 31

I also compared DENON AH-D5000 to highly acclaimed SHURE SRH 840 which many people here prefer over the Ultrasone HFI 780 which I discovered later after I already bought it. Denon and SRH 840 was like day and night in favor of DENON. I wasn't even looking at Denons before because from my subjective experience with DENON before their amps didn't sound any better than SONY. For some reason I thought DENON is not good in anything. I was very wrong.

post #24 of 31

It really depends where you are coming from. For most people their headphones sound better that their speakers for example. My ears are spoiled with Focal speakers in my car which are just awesome so when guitar is playing I'm used to hear guitar and not something that remotely resembles it. Ultrasones sound is very electronic like, artificial in a sense not live like. The bass is nice though I have to admit.

post #25 of 31
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Well Denon AH-D2000 on amazon is only about 30 bucks more expensive than HFI 780.



My bad. I did a quick google and I saw 350 for 2000 and 550 for the 5000

 

Thing is, my music is this 90%

www youtube com/watch?v=J44sBhhJnog

 

atm it feels like the phones are too bright(8k and up, hi-hats..), but what the heck, I've only burned them for about 9 hours lol

 

I also want to mention the old phones I used, my EQ for them was huge, I literally did 2 mountains on the sides and a lake in the middle and it made it sound so much better, here I don't need eq at all. So weird for me..


Edited by Penzo - 12/2/10 at 4:34pm
post #26 of 31

Both Denons and Ultrasones have V shaped FR. Denons have more soundstage from larger cups. Ultrasones are more in your face. I haven't tried the Denon D2000; only the D7000. The HFI 580 have ALOT more bass kick over the D7000. But i'm not sure how the D7000 compares to the D2000.

post #27 of 31

I disagree about V shaped frequency response for Denon, their FR is one of the most balanced. Ultrasone has drop from 5000 till about 8000 Hz and I think this is what creates their sound signature. However it sounds to me that mids are also lacking and I don't really see it on the graph. Its all very personal but I find Denon sound much more realistic, to me Denon was like Grado but without the Grado shortcomings in design, comfort etc.You can also see the Grados spikes in the treble. The slight drop around 6000 Hz is necessary not to hurt your ears too much(Grado problem) , may be Denon has just enough of it (wishful thinking :)

 

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Penzo you can keep burning them but you will see that they still going to keep their sound signature. However for your music they are perfect. I like trance myself. Listen to Infected Mushrooms "Vicious Delicious" album, you will love it, it sounds great in Ultrasones.  


Edited by ilia7777 - 12/2/10 at 6:01pm
post #28 of 31

Sorry about that--your post followed a previous post by Penzo who was talking about his HFI-580, so I thought you were talking about the same headphone.

 

Thanks for your impressions of the HFI-780, though.  I did do a little research on it previously, but came away feeling that the 580 would be a better complement to my K 702.
 

Penzo, can you describe what you mean by the "odd bass" and "odd treble" that you're experiencing with the 580?

 

Thanks!

 

 

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Originally Posted by ilia7777 View Post

ktsai1283 I have HFI 780, I never listened to HFI 580. They are great for electronic music, the sound stage, the surrround effect, the bass etc. But for heavy metal and rock, they just don't do it, its kind of hard to explain, the guitars and cymbals just don't sound natural. Overall IMHO I would not recommend you this headphone, its not very comfortable, it needs cable upgrade, it needs amplification and its not universal. I have to admit I don't like it that much overall. I listened to DENON AH-D5000 last week at high end audio store here in Toronto it sounds just so much better overall. It was connected to very good tube amp, but even directly from my iphone the sound was great. The DENON is way above it in terms of comfort and design as well. I know AH-D5000 is in different league, but people say that sound of AH-D2000 is very close to it.  Grado beats it too for heavy metal and rock as well, but I'm not buying any more Grado's cause they just too harsh on my ears.

post #29 of 31

Denon is more balanced than Ultrasone. That is definitely true, but if you listen for vocals, the vocals are definitely behind the music. Ultrasone Pro900s mids are so recessed that it became too much for me to stand. The Denons (D7000 specifically) were still good enough. Denons are still great headphones, but Audio Technica's W1000X are better IMO.
 

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I disagree about V shaped frequency response for Denon, their FR is one of the most balanced.

post #30 of 31
Thread Starter 


 

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Originally Posted by ktsai1283 View Post

Sorry about that--your post followed a previous post by Penzo who was talking about his HFI-580, so I thought you were talking about the same headphone.

 

Thanks for your impressions of the HFI-780, though.  I did do a little research on it previously, but came away feeling that the 580 would be a better complement to my K 702.
 

Penzo, can you describe what you mean by the "odd bass" and "odd treble" that you're experiencing with the 580?

 

Thanks!

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilia7777 View Post

ktsai1283 I have HFI 780, I never listened to HFI 580. They are great for electronic music, the sound stage, the surrround effect, the bass etc. But for heavy metal and rock, they just don't do it, its kind of hard to explain, the guitars and cymbals just don't sound natural. Overall IMHO I would not recommend you this headphone, its not very comfortable, it needs cable upgrade, it needs amplification and its not universal. I have to admit I don't like it that much overall. I listened to DENON AH-D5000 last week at high end audio store here in Toronto it sounds just so much better overall. It was connected to very good tube amp, but even directly from my iphone the sound was great. The DENON is way above it in terms of comfort and design as well. I know AH-D5000 is in different league, but people say that sound of AH-D2000 is very close to it.  Grado beats it too for heavy metal and rock as well, but I'm not buying any more Grado's cause they just too harsh on my ears.


 


Well, the odd bass can definitely be answered with the fact what my old headphones were. They did weight, a lot, there was not much room for ears and they were very clampy along with those vinyl pads. So simply put, you could feel the bass more, as instead on these headphones, it feels like it's more airy because of how the headphone itself is built(Trust me, this thing will feel like a feather after using the old phones for so long). Though the bass is starting to be really, really nice actually. I just found it odd, because I'm coming from such a different headphone.

 

As for the treble, it hurt at first, quite a bit. Made it sound odd. Super bright. It's still on the bright side (I find some hi-hats on some songs distracting and songs with a lot of natural treble aren't all so great) but not as bad as it was out of the box. I still have long way to go with burning these if it's true that Ultrasones tend to have over 100 hours burn-in times so this may change, but mids and lows are definitely so much better now than they were and the change in actual sound detail from the old phones is pretty damn big.


Edited by Penzo - 12/2/10 at 11:12pm
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