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post #616 of 699
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post

I can't agree more that the ESW9A's are the unsung hero of affordable mid-fi.  The sound they provide, while not reference perfect, is just satisfying and musical.  I find them very easy to listen to for long periods of time.  If I had to pick one headphone from my collection to keep for all around use, it would probably be these AT's.  Pretty amazing since I also own RS-1's, W1000X, JH13...

Which brings me to a sad update.  I had my ESW9A recabled with Silver Dragon IEM cable.  Nothing against that cable which I use with great benefit on my JH13's...but the new cable sucked the life out of my beloved ESW9A's.  This was easy for me to compare as my son has a stock ESW9A for me to borrow. 

In a lot of ways the recable provides textbook improvements.  Bigger soundstage, tighter bass and improved treble sparkle.  However the trade-off was a lean sound that seems more distant and less engaging mids.  Frankly, I'm amazed at the difference...I've never heard a cable make SUCH a difference on a headphone.  While I like some of the improvements, the loss of that full warm liquidy sound is a disappointment.  I am working to get the headphone returned to its original state, or perhaps trying some type of other copper cable instead of one with a silver component.

If I had money to blow I would keep the silver cabled ESW9A around, if just to prove to cable skeptics that cables do, at least in certain circumstances, make a difference.   

The cable Nazis will go nuts (ef'em) but I have heard some pricy cables that are a definite step backwards!
For example, a "lower end" Cardas interconnect I used to own was easily bested by some "lower end" Kimber interconnect I compared it to.
post #617 of 699

In my humble opinion, cables are nothing more than passive tone controls. Yes, better cables use better dielectric materials that result in greater low level detail retrieval, but since cables are reactive, how they sound on one system can be quite different on another with just a single component difference—not the tranducers.

 

I'm sorry to hear about the perceived change in your ESW-9s. Perhaps a 100 hours or so of burn-in may bring the overall sonic signature back more to your liking ...

post #618 of 699
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post
 

Which brings me to a sad update.  I had my ESW9A recabled with Silver Dragon IEM cable.  Nothing against that cable which I use with great benefit on my JH13's...but the new cable sucked the life out of my beloved ESW9A's.  This was easy for me to compare as my son has a stock ESW9A for me to borrow. 

 

In a lot of ways the recable provides textbook improvements.  Bigger soundstage, tighter bass and improved treble sparkle.  However the trade-off was a lean sound that seems more distant and less engaging mids.  Frankly, I'm amazed at the difference...I've never heard a cable make SUCH a difference on a headphone.  While I like some of the improvements, the loss of that full warm liquidy sound is a disappointment.  I am working to get the headphone returned to its original state, or perhaps trying some type of other copper cable instead of one with a silver component.

 

Update.  I now have Moon Audio Black Dragon IEM cable on my ESW9A's and things are much better.  The ESW9A's warm full tone is now maintained with a slight increase in detail but a noticeable improvement in bass definition and texture, and extension in the highs.  The headphone is now also louder than with the stock cable, so as I compared with my son's second stock set I had to do constant volume adjustment to make sure output was level.  Overall, the cable makes the headphone seem slightly more forward and closer to the music, but the improvement in dynamics is pretty impressive. 

 

For anyone else out there considering recabling one of these, silver vs. copper seems to make a pretty big difference in results so choose carefully.  

post #619 of 699

Did the Germania Mod a few days ago, Not as hard  as I thought and completely doable for a novice.

The changes are not as massive as some people make it out to be, the mids are brought down a bit more making them sound more neutral rather than mid forward. The bass tone has a slightly different kick to it, slightly tighter than the stock.

 

Good to experiment with but I can live with either stock or mod.

 

Also keep everything including the original yellow cotton damping material in case you want to reverse it.

post #620 of 699
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Originally Posted by wolfen68 View Post
 

 

Update.  I now have Moon Audio Black Dragon IEM cable on my ESW9A's and things are much better.  The ESW9A's warm full tone is now maintained with a slight increase in detail but a noticeable improvement in bass definition and texture, and extension in the highs.  The headphone is now also louder than with the stock cable, so as I compared with my son's second stock set I had to do constant volume adjustment to make sure output was level.  Overall, the cable makes the headphone seem slightly more forward and closer to the music, but the improvement in dynamics is pretty impressive. 

 

For anyone else out there considering recabling one of these, silver vs. copper seems to make a pretty big difference in results so choose carefully.  

 

glad to hear it all worked out for you ...

post #621 of 699

I didn't quite read everything on the whole thread but I would like to know how the bass and the treble sounds.

Is the bass on these headphones comparable to the V-Moda XS/M-80?

And also are the trebles sibilant?

Do these headphones have an airy sound?

I am a bit of a treble head and I don't like the bass emphasized sound signature so I would like to how these would fit my tastes.  

I listen to a lot of J-Pop/J-Rock, Rock, Rap.

 

Sorry if this seems out of place but I would like to have a bit of knowledge of these headphones.

 

Thanks!

post #622 of 699
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Originally Posted by Feilong4 View Post
 

I didn't quite read everything on the whole thread but I would like to know how the bass and the treble sounds.

Is the bass on these headphones comparable to the V-Moda XS/M-80?

And also are the trebles sibilant?

Do these headphones have an airy sound?

I am a bit of a treble head and I don't like the bass emphasized sound signature so I would like to how these would fit my tastes.  

I listen to a lot of J-Pop/J-Rock, Rock, Rap.

 

Sorry if this seems out of place but I would like to have a bit of knowledge of these headphones.

 

Thanks!


These headphones are not for you then.

No they are nothing like the V-modas

No they are not sibilant

For its size it has quite good soundstage

The treble drops off quite early to emphasise the mids so no these are not for J-pop/J-Rock

 

The audio technica ES10 have more of a v shaped sound signature which would suit you a little bit more

post #623 of 699
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These headphones are not for you then.

No they are nothing like the V-modas

No they are not sibilant

For its size it has quite good soundstage

The treble drops off quite early to emphasise the mids so no these are not for J-pop/J-Rock

 

The audio technica ES10 have more of a v shaped sound signature which would suit you a little bit more

Alright, thanks for the help!

post #624 of 699

Hi all, I have a set on its way to me as part of a trade, and I was wondering whether there is an easy way to change the pads to make these over-ear headphones?

Apologies if this was discussed before, I searched the thread but could not find a clear answer.

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I have small ears and they are over the ear for me.
post #626 of 699
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Originally Posted by intlsubband View Post
 

Hi all, I have a set on its way to me as part of a trade, and I was wondering whether there is an easy way to change the pads to make these over-ear headphones?

Apologies if this was discussed before, I searched the thread but could not find a clear answer.


These cups are too small for over-ear pads.

The goat skin pads on ESW9(A) are really good though, I find them the most comfortable on-ear.

post #627 of 699
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post
 


These cups are too small for over-ear pads.

The goat skin pads on ESW9(A) are really good though, I find them the most comfortable on-ear.

 

Thanks - I usually prefer over the ears, but was curious enough about these and as the opportunity came up I got it as part of a trade. Looking forward to see how these will feel & sound...

post #628 of 699
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post
 


These cups are too small for over-ear pads.

The goat skin pads on ESW9(A) are really good though, I find them the most comfortable on-ear.

Mine are from Japan (ATH-ESW9) they have Lamb skin pads, are the pads on the ESW9A version different?

post #629 of 699
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Mine are from Japan (ATH-ESW9) they have Lamb skin pads, are the pads on the ESW9A version different?


No, I just confused lambs with goats :bigsmile_face:

post #630 of 699
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No, I just confused lambs with goats :bigsmile_face:

 

A simple and common mistake I am sure.... :)

 

Lamb

 

 

Goat

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