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post #46 of 1488


Yeah, the headphone jack is top and it is easier to navigate than the s:flo 2. Actually, I got the HM-601 already. Fang shipped it lightning fast last week and got it last week. I need to wait until wednesday before I can sit down and really listen to it and compare it to my s:flo 2. I don't have a hm-602. I tried it out during a meet.
 

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DjGeorgeT, you ordered the HM601 as well correct? I'd be interested to know comparisons between that and the 602 assuming it is you that ordered it as well.

 

Just curious but the headphone jack is on the top of the player correct? Also is navigation (play/pause, next, previous) easy without looking at the player if it is in your pocket?

post #47 of 1488

Antony6555, we've already had this same fruitless discussion numerous times in this community.

In fact a thread dedicated to it was locked for beating a dead horse. http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/490698/hifiman-hm-801-rmaa-tests

 

Just give up trying to shoot down a player you have not heard, and go back to listening to your Clip+.

post #48 of 1488
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@DJGeorge 

 

I don't think it's the best. It's just sad such a cheap player outperforms the hm 801. Also, if you want a colored sound why not eq, instead of paying extra and sacrificing usability?

 


You're assuming you can that your sighted listening is objective. The problem is the human ear in a sighted test is not a objective, try doing an unsighted test at least. Yes computers are obviously more objective than sighted tests, and they can measure minute differences beyond the spectrum of human hearing. The professional audio industry relies on these objective tests, but amateur audiophiles claim to know better. 

 

Newer doesn't always equal better (especially in consumer goods), but overall there have been vast improvements. The availability of cheap, effectively transparent digital sources is evidence of this.





Woops,wrong forum,buddy. Here ya go.

http://www.studiorecordingengineer.com/

**Update: try these guys out, too: http://anythingbutipod.com/
Edited by mangamonster - 11/22/10 at 9:03pm
post #49 of 1488

What kind of naive comments are those? Do you have no shame?
 

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@DJGeorge 

 

I don't think it's the best. It's just sad such a cheap player outperforms the hm 801. Also, if you want a colored sound why not eq, instead of paying extra and sacrificing usability?

post #50 of 1488


Yeah..Please put out your comparisons of the hm 601 and the s:flo2 when you do. Planning to buy one of em but havent decided which one yet...

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Yeah, the headphone jack is top and it is easier to navigate than the s:flo 2. Actually, I got the HM-601 already. Fang shipped it lightning fast last week and got it last week. I need to wait until wednesday before I can sit down and really listen to it and compare it to my s:flo 2. I don't have a hm-602. I tried it out during a meet.
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

DjGeorgeT, you ordered the HM601 as well correct? I'd be interested to know comparisons between that and the 602 assuming it is you that ordered it as well.

 

Just curious but the headphone jack is on the top of the player correct? Also is navigation (play/pause, next, previous) easy without looking at the player if it is in your pocket?


 
post #51 of 1488
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Yeah, the headphone jack is top and it is easier to navigate than the s:flo 2. Actually, I got the HM-601 already. Fang shipped it lightning fast last week and got it last week. I need to wait until wednesday before I can sit down and really listen to it and compare it to my s:flo 2. I don't have a hm-602. I tried it out during a meet.
 


I'm getting close to buying it and would probably decide to keep them or sell my J3 if I find it more practical. I can get a 16gb sdhc card so size isn't the issue for me. I don't like the battery life but 9-10 hrs is much longer than my average use per day for my J3. I already have the RE-Zero so it would pretty much be a dap that costs less than $200.

 

Was the 601 shipped from NY or China? It would be next day shipping if it was from NY since I live pretty close to Fang. Also how does that mute button on the bottom work? I would find it not too practical unless there's no play/pause button. I'm guessing a pair of customs and the 601 would make a pretty nice portable rig.

post #52 of 1488

@DJGeorge

 

No, audiophiles are naive when they assume their sighted listening is telling them the truth. Anyone with a professional background in audio knows this is not the case.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, science is irrelevant to audiophilia. Audio equipment isn't created by engineers or anything, it's created by the pseudointellectual "poets" at stereophile.

 

 

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Woops,wrong forum,buddy. Here ya go.http://www.studiorecordingengineer.com/
post #53 of 1488



But isn't the truth in the EAR of the beholder?biggrin.gif a subjective topic for sure.

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@DJGeorge

 

No, audiophiles are naive when they assume their sighted listening is telling them the truth. Anyone with a professional background in audio knows this is not the case.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, science is irrelevant to audiophilia. Audio equipment isn't created by engineers or anything, it's created by the pseudointellectual "poets" at stereophile.

 

 

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Woops,wrong forum,buddy. Here ya go.http://www.studiorecordingengineer.com/

 

Edited by Guidostrunk - 11/22/10 at 9:31pm
post #54 of 1488
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@DJGeorge

 

No, audiophiles are naive when they assume their sighted listening is telling them the truth. Anyone with a professional background in audio knows this is not the case.

 

 


LFF has a professional background in audio who also wrote this review in the first page.

post #55 of 1488


 

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Originally Posted by Antony6555 View Post

@DJGeorge

 

No, audiophiles are naive when they assume their sighted listening is telling them the truth. Anyone with a professional background in audio knows this is not the case.

 

 


LFF has a professional background in audio who also wrote this review in the first page.


 

And he said the clip+ is more accurate in his review

post #56 of 1488

He did not say that the clip+ was superior in performance. I had the clip+ and did not find the performance to be great against other dap's not considered to the top even thought it isn't as flat. You know there is a clip+ appreciation thread somewhere..

post #57 of 1488

Antony6555, even the most diehard turntable/vinyl enthusiasts won't argue that their best turntable setups measure better than a portable CD player.  You're missing the point completely.  And you're derailing the thread.  Sighted listening?  That's a discussion for Sound Science.

post #58 of 1488
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony6555 View Post

@DJGeorge

 

No, audiophiles are naive when they assume their sighted listening is telling them the truth. Anyone with a professional background in audio knows this is not the case.

 

 


LFF has a professional background in audio who also wrote this review in the first page.


 

And he said the clip+ is more accurate in his review


It's funny you equate FR to overall sound.  You are operating on tons of assumptions and simply reveal your ignorance on the matter of sound by claiming such knowledge.  What is sad are people like you who have no faith in their hearing and listen w/ their eyes.  Of all the variables related to producing sound you cling to FR and noise and scream bloody murder against 'audiophilia' to boost your ego because you feel so insecure you need to reaffirm your genius in buying the most perfect player ever conceived on earth for a mere $40.  LFF said the FR is more accurate but the 602 is more musical and possibly more natural depending on how one defines the term.  Removing Noise and FR from the equation the NOS DAC sounds way closer to a real musical experience in real life than the Clip+.  Of course, to you and your kind we are just 'audiophiles' that feel the need to justify our large purchases to soothe our egos after getting ripped off by marketeers.  Your arguments are old, predictable and boring.  It's funny it is beyond conceivable to your brain that something that doesn't measure as well in 2 aspects could sound better in every other way.  I pity your dogmatic certainty.  I can tell you the reason I have had more than 6 different DAPs is due to people like you that claimed how perfect and awesome the Clip+ was only for my ears to scoff at your claims and continue searching.  If I could have perfect sound for $40 I would have stopped and called it a day.  But for some reason your little cherished miracle falls short in many respects which you would know if you weren't busy having everyone else tell what to think.  I know LFF loves his Clip+ for what is and can do, I respect that and agree w/ him.  I know for a fact he loves what the 601 brings to the table and if he didn't he wouldn't have even wasted his time reviewing it.  Even his friend, the professional studio engineer, uses a NOS DAC in his home setup.  I guess he's another 'delusional audiophile' who just happens to work in audio because McDonalds wasn't hiring.  It's really astonishing to me how those who claim such familiarity w/ science translate that into certainty and dogma.  I was a Bio major in Pre-Med and love reading about theoretical Physics and am continuously shocked by the certainty people in this forum have that they know everything there is to know.  That's poor scientific practice and philosophy IMHO.  Consider the complexities of studying Aerodynamics/Fluidynamics and melding that w/ Biology/Physiology and toss in innumerable variables related to Electrical Theory (sources, gear and synergy) and you want to just drop a frequency response curve and crap all over something?  Yeah, you look brilliant.  RMAA measurements and the like provide a useful tool.  Do I give it more significance than my decades spent on this earth listening to sound w/ ears that have evolved over millions of years?  No.  I'm not insane enough to do that.  Enjoy your Clip+.  I know it's impossible for you not to, the graph says so.

 

 

Edited to be more polite out of respect for Jude and the forum.  Really holding back here guys.....          


Edited by Anaxilus - 11/22/10 at 10:23pm
post #59 of 1488

 

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A frequency response graph is much more accurate than an unsighted test by a human reviewer.

 

 

1. clip+ with stock apple earbuds

 

2. HM-601 with FIDC1601SB

 

 

1. the first one will have fantastic statistics on paper in an FR Graph, both the DAP and the earphones are flat, clean and well extended, right?

 

2. the second one will have terrible statistics, treble roll-off and all over the damn place, makes no sense whatsoever, right? http://sonove.angry.jp/finalaudiodesign_FlDC1601SB.html

 

 

and yet, everyone will prefer the second option in an instant, so can you show us why, with your hard-science and all-telling computer tests?

 

No I didn't think so, see, you're either joking, or you're a complete total douche.  Either way you're just wasting a lot of time, I hope you get banned and low self-esteem in life!

 

post #60 of 1488

Let's keep the backbiting to a minimum, folks.

 

I just had to clean up this thread and don't want to do it again.

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