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post #1 of 29
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Olive has recently announced a high end music server:

 

http://www.olive.us/products/music_servers/olive6hd/overview.html

 

They designed this product with the audiophile in mind. It looks beautiful to me, yet as I am just being introduced to the audiophile world I don't know much about all the different components involved here.

 

Don't have any use for this as of now, since my music collection is still too small as is my budget.

 

What are your thoughts on this product? Has anyone here used Olive's products before?

post #2 of 29

Should be really interesting to see not only how it sounds, but how much it cost.  I like the look.

post #3 of 29
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I think the cost is estimated at around $5000!

post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by Yekrut View Post

I think the cost is estimated at around $5000!



http://www.olive.us/products/music_servers/olive6hd/compare.html   (see bottom of page)

 $4,999!

post #5 of 29

I havent heard the Olive, and I admit that their earlier music servers have received very favourable reviews, but the price continues to be a sticking point for mine.

 

You might not agree with the components that went into the 'ideal audiophile server' Chris Connaker at Computer Audiophile put together (  http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Pocket-Server-CAPS ), but you could significantly build on it for the $3500 difference in cost between this and the Olive and his little server. No question that the implementation on the Olive is where the money has been spent, and I'm sure the cost of individual parts would also be higher, but $3500 would buy most of us a very nice DAC and headphone amp pairing to hook up to our $1500 server, with the usual advantage of component systems over an all-in-one. 

post #6 of 29

Well never mind then.
 

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I think the cost is estimated at around $5000!

post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post

I havent heard the Olive, and I admit that their earlier music servers have received very favourable reviews, but the price continues to be a sticking point for mine.

 

You might not agree with the components that went into the 'ideal audiophile server' Chris Connaker at Computer Audiophile put together (  http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Pocket-Server-CAPS ), but you could significantly build on it for the $3500 difference in cost between this and the Olive and his little server. No question that the implementation on the Olive is where the money has been spent, and I'm sure the cost of individual parts would also be higher, but $3500 would buy most of us a very nice DAC and headphone amp pairing to hook up to our $1500 server, with the usual advantage of component systems over an all-in-one. 


I agree, I question the use of the device. I would rather get a Mac Mini and spend the difference on dedicated DAC and headphone amp. But then again the simplicity and design of the Olive is really good.

post #8 of 29

Yeah, I would think a iMAC with 3500 lest over would net you a better sounding (maybe, we wont know for sure until its reviewed) and at the least more configurable one.

post #9 of 29

According to their website, the O6HD unit has 2 DACs, one for the lineout, and a dedicated one for the headphone amp.
I can't see the logic of such an implementation, bizarre.confused.gif

post #10 of 29

Finally something coming out to compete with the (unfortunately) discontinued Transporter, but at $3,000 more.

post #11 of 29
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According to their website, the O6HD unit has 2 DACs, one for the lineout, and a dedicated one for the headphone amp.
I can't see the logic of such an implementation, bizarre.confused.gif


I noticed that as well khaos974. The new Bel Canto DAC's do that too:

"The headphone jack is driven by a dedicated DAC/Amplifier circuit that optimizes its output and eliminates any compromises in the main signal path."

http://www.belcantodesign.com/Belcanto_DAC2_5_Digital_Audio_Converter.html

post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post

Finally something coming out to compete with the (unfortunately) discontinued Transporter, but at $3,000 more.



 

It is not the same beast as the transporter requires running an external music server while Olive saves all the sound on its internal HD.

I think it could be a great turnkey solution for people who want ease of use without bothering with building system themselves (assuming money is not an issue).

I was thinking about their entry level OH3D (500GB $999), but it has no digital out so it can't use an external DAC.

post #13 of 29

yeah the problem with most of the music servers out there is that they really lock you into their system and way of doing things.  Building your own system not only gives you a more flexible solution, it will most often give you a better sounding one to boot. 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post

Finally something coming out to compete with the (unfortunately) discontinued Transporter, but at $3,000 more.



 

It is not the same beast as the transporter requires running an external music server while Olive saves all the sound on its internal HD.

I think it could be a great turnkey solution for people who want ease of use without bothering with building system themselves (assuming money is not an issue).

I was thinking about their entry level OH3D (500GB $999), but it has no digital out so it can't use an external DAC.

 

Note: I use 2nd person pronouns here, but I don't mean to refer to anyone in particular other than a hypothetical person setting up such a system.


How hard is it really to set up a system yourself anyway?

 

I mean, let's assume you have a computer.  If it's a desktop - we're good to go, because it can stay on all the time.  If you don't, you can get a desktop with monitor (or another laptop if you like) for under $600 that will do the job.  It can go in whatever room in your house that you want it to.

 

Then you need a wireless router, if you don't have one.  That's another $50 for old reliable, the Linksys WRT54GL.

 

Now, for the linchpin of the system:  For value and functionality, let's go with the Logitech Squeezebox Duet for $359.  A Logitech, you say?!?  That's not high end!

 

No, it isn't.  But it's a pretty trick piece of kit, and best of all it has a coax and optical digital output - on top of the not-horrible 24-bit Wolfson DAC built in (I read it's a slight step down for the particular Burr-Brown used in the older Squeezeboxes).

 

In 2008 there were quite a few problems with it so I couldn't say it was exactly a good system then, but I believe most of the bugs have been worked out now.

 

It's a two-piece kit: The key is the remote, which is your interface with the system, that you use to navigate your music - and Internet radio too, if you want to.  It connects straight to your WiFi network, so you can control it from anywhere within wireless range, no LoS to deal with.  Essentially it's like using an mp3 player, but you're controlling your stereo.  Being a remote, you don't have to get up to change music - and it means it's potentially a whole lot easier to see what's playing, too.

 

The receiver, which is the music-serving half, can be wired via Ethernet to your network - or go via wireless like the remote.  You can add other Squeezebox receivers (the older ones that don't have a remote), and the remote can control all of them at once - sending different music to each.

 

Your computer is the server where all the music is located, of course.  You also perform the setup using it.  It isn't needed at all for internet radio, because the networking lets the remote/receiver connect straight to the web.

 

The system can play MP3, AAC, WMA, Ogg, FLAC, Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, and WAV music files - so your lossless file needs are all taken care of.  The only thing it can't do is DRM-restricted audio files.

 

So we're at approximately $1000 right now; or if you're like many families today, you've only spent $359 so far.

 

So that leaves you with between $4000 and $4600 to spend on a DAC...  Of course, it may make more sense to spend more money on the rest of the system (computer & network) first.  And maybe spend some money hiring some kid to rip all of your CDs to FLAC files with EAC.


Anyway, that seems like a far more flexible system.  Maybe not nearly as stylish or as stupid-easy to set - but it's a whole lot more flexible, and lets you control as many systems as you have receivers for without even getting out of your listening chair.

 

In the future when some better music network system comes out, you already have the basis for hooking it up to your current network and DAC.  You could even upgrade to a full video server too, although that wouldn't do anything for your BRD collection.


Edited by BlackbeardBen - 12/9/10 at 4:56am
post #15 of 29

That's an awesome breakdown Ben.  And so true, a system you build yourself is wildly flexible and tweak-able.

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