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post #871 of 2773
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

heres a question i dont seem to have seen addressed here. How is the "open" and airy sound compared to the he400? Because that is something the 400 absolutely amazes me with, and if the he4 is on par, or even somewhat less, I am even more excited. Im getting these no matter what, just really trying to sell off things first,

 

I found the he4- and he400 in the same ballpark on sound stage, with the he-4 coming out a bit better. Yes, thinking about the two compared directly to each other the he-4 sounds more open and airy as you put it. 

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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

heres a question i dont seem to have seen addressed here. How is the "open" and airy sound compared to the he400? Because that is something the 400 absolutely amazes me with, and if the he4 is on par, or even somewhat less, I am even more excited. Im getting these no matter what, just really trying to sell off things first,

 

If the open and airy sound is what your looking for, then the HE-4 is for you.  "NO" other headphone has as much air IMO that I've heard.  May be a tad bit on the bright side for some, but if this is what you like.  Then this headphone is for you.  The HE-4 paired with the Emotiva a-100 will give you the exact sound sig your looking for.  All this without lacking in BASS..

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^^ He likes a little brighter signature. I think that this is the perfect hp for him. I think that if more knew just how good the bass was on this hp, they would have been more popular. Not to be redundant, but I really don't think that most have heard them on the right amp. 

 

@hemipowered007 if you will keep your jergpads, they will serve you well with the he4. 

post #874 of 2773
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

If the open and airy sound is what your looking for, then the HE-4 is for you.  "NO" other headphone has as much air IMO that I've heard.  May be a tad bit on the bright side for some, but if this is what you like.  Then this headphone is for you.  The HE-4 paired with the Emotiva a-100 will give you the exact sound sig your looking for.  All this without lacking in BASS..

 

Wait, more air than hd800??

post #875 of 2773
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

Wait, more air than hd800??

 

"Air"  Well I would say on par if not better.  Imagaing, Soundstage NO..

post #876 of 2773

Got it. I actually have not heard the hd800 and just know it by reputation. But it will be headed this way next week for an audition. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

If the open and airy sound is what your looking for, then the HE-4 is for you.  "NO" other headphone has as much air IMO that I've heard.  May be a tad bit on the bright side for some, but if this is what you like.  Then this headphone is for you.  The HE-4 paired with the Emotiva a-100 will give you the exact sound sig your looking for.  All this without lacking in BASS..


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hey preproman,

 

I can't stop myself from trying HE-6 on that EMO A-100 (I would even consider HE-500 now on it)

 

Is it like more bass and a bit less treble on HE-6 comparing to HE-4 on A-100 ? do you recall ?

post #878 of 2773
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hey preproman,

 

I can't stop myself from trying HE-6 on that EMO A-100 (I would even consider HE-500 now on it)

 

Is it like more bass and a bit less treble on HE-6 comparing to HE-4 on A-100 ? do you recall ?

 

Yes.  less air / bright.  More refined better mids.  Bass is more accurate more punch / attack.  The only thing the 500s has over the 4s are the mids / female vocals.  

post #879 of 2773

i have to hear a pair of these, i want to compare sound versus the he-5le. if they are pretty similar it might be worth getting it for the lighter weight. whats the difference for you preproman?

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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post
 

i have to hear a pair of these, i want to compare sound versus the he-5le. if they are pretty similar it might be worth getting it for the lighter weight. whats the difference for you preproman?

 

5LE vs. 4s  Again I say the 4s have more air and is more open sounding.  The 5LEs has more body and sounds fuller I guess you can say the 5LE has more weight to the music, but that does not mean the 4s sound thin.   The bass on both are good.  I like the female vocals better on the 5LEs

 

I would rate them like this.  

 

Mids, female vocals:

HE-500 --> HE-6 --> HE-5LE -->HE-4

 

Bass - in terms of attack, controll and accuracy:

HE-6 -->  (HE-4 / HE-5LE) --> HE-500

 

Bass - in terms of body and presence (fullness):

HE-6 --> HE-500 - HE-5LE --> HE-4 

 

Instrument separation - space / air:

HE-4 -->  HE-6 --> HE-5LE --> HE-500

 

Treble:  This is where it gets interesting.  The HiFiman treble is a hard fish to fry.  This is where a really good amp comes into play IMO.  Here it really depends on what your looking for.

 

The treble on the 500s can be really smooth.  Overly so on some other types of music and a bit unpredictable on others.

 

The treble on the 4s can be just right for some music and to sharp for others.  Same here with the HE-5LEs

 

The HE-6 came be the best treble you've ever heard at times.  Put this headphone on a lesser headphone amp and it can be the worse treble you've ever heard.

 

Now I've got the HE-5s in the house.  Been listening to these for just a little while now on the First Watt F1J.  Those rankings as bound to be mixed all up when I enter in the HE-5s..  Oh well - thus goes head fi..

post #881 of 2773
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

5LE vs. 4s  Again I say the 4s have more air and is more open sounding.  The 5LEs has more body and sounds fuller I guess you can say the 5LE has more weight to the music, but that does not mean the 4s sound thin.   The bass on both are good.  I like the female vocals better on the 5LEs

 

I would rate them like this.  

 

Mids, female vocals:

HE-500 --> HE-6 --> HE-5LE -->HE-4

 

Bass - in terms of attack, controll and accuracy:

HE-6 -->  (HE-4 / HE-5LE) --> HE-500

 

Bass - in terms of body and presence (fullness):

HE-6 --> HE-500 - HE-5LE --> HE-4 

 

Instrument separation - space / air:

HE-4 -->  HE-6 --> HE-5LE --> HE-500

 

Treble:  This is where it gets interesting.  The HiFiman treble is a hard fish to fry.  This is where a really good amp comes into play IMO.  Here it really depends on what your looking for.

 

The treble on the 500s can be really smooth.  Overly so on some other types of music and a bit unpredictable on others.

 

The treble on the 4s can be just right for some music and to sharp for others.  Same here with the HE-5LEs

 

The HE-6 came be the best treble you've ever heard at times.  Put this headphone on a lesser headphone amp and it can be the worse treble you've ever heard.

 

Now I've got the HE-5s in the house.  Been listening to these for just a little while now on the First Watt F1J.  Those rankings as bound to be mixed all up when I enter in the HE-5s..  Oh well - thus goes head fi..


thanks for the breakdown. i was not a fan of the smooth he-500 when it came to rock, and i'm glad i traded them for the 5le. i really like to feel the guitar sound when it comes to rock/acoustic/etc. how big of a difference do you find in the mids when listening to hip hop/rock/metal mainly? if the difference isn't that big i'll take the weight savings of the he-4.

post #882 of 2773

The difference between all are not big.  There are only subtle differences here and there.  You would have to listen to them side by side and take notes to tell.  that way you can always refer back to your notes.  Going on memory is really hard.  You can enjoy you music to the fullest on all of them..

post #883 of 2773

i guess i can put that midrance knob on my vintage amp to good use then just in case. :biggrin:

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I'm am a proud new owner of the HE-4. Since the HE-400 has been the king of my cans ever since I got it, I figured I'd post my impressions of the HE-4 vs. the HE-400 to show how the HE-400 has been dethroned. (This is copied from a PM I sent to modulor who was interested in the impressions):

 

 

First and foremost, these HE-4's are freaking light! Holy cow, I didn't think it would be this noticeable. Anyway, when I first plugged them into the Ember (35 ohm output resistance), I had to crank the knob up quite a bit, but it still powered them relatively well. Out of curiosity, I immediately switched to the low output impedance (0.1 ohm) for higher power. Ooooooo, there we go, much better. I started with some Savant, moved into some Chevelle, Infected Mushroom, etc. Back and forth between the HE-4's and HE-400's (both with velour pads). Almost right away I find a large difference, and to no surprise either. The treble on the HE-400 is much worse. Don't get me wrong though, I kept a treble reducing EQ on the entire time since the HE-4's benefit from it as well, but the HE-400's just have too much tizz that cannot be saved with EQ. HE-4: 1, HE-400: 0. The next thing I noticed came as a great surprise. The unnatural sound of the HE-400 is not shared with the HE-4. In fact, I typically stay away from rock music in general on the 400's because they can't reproduce guitars and vocals in a natural way -- making EDM a perfect candidate. Yet, here I am, jamming out to some rock on the HE-4's and giddy as hell because they sound so much more natural. HE-4: 2, HE-400: 0. Now, as I'm digging the new organic ortho sound, I notice something else that catches me by surprise: imaging. I've put the HE-400's on a pedestal ever since I got them because they just make my dynamic cans sound muddy in comparison. Maybe that's the treble adding crispness (where the HD580's are "veiled" hehe) or maybe it's just what we've all contributed it too: the speed of orthos. Well guess what. The HE-4's make the HE-400's sound congested. Picking out specific instruments or voices is even easier now. These cans are very airy in comparison to the 400's. HE-4: 3, HE-400: 0. Things are looking pretty dismal for the 400's, so I decided to do some critical listening on bass, their strong suit. I listened to a bunch of hard hitting EDM tracks and it's definitely clear that the HE-400's win this battle. The more congested (or closed, if you will) sound helps these bad boys punch with more weight. I wouldn't say there is more texture or that the bass is clearer, but it hits harder for sure.

 

Final score:

HE-4: 3, HE-400: 1.

 

Now, just some other things that you may want to consider: the HE-4's come in a sweet HFM hard case (not the traveler case), one braided (long) cable, one short cable, and they are significantly lighter. Since I only wanted to compare the sound, I didn't tally those up as points for the HE-4's, but wow. These are an incredible bargain. However, the HE-400's remain much easier to drive. I could tell just from the difference between medium and low output impedance that you are going to need a powerful amp to do these justice. This would obviously be a point towards the HE-400's, but who cares? I have Project Ember :p.

post #885 of 2773

Very Nice Prep and Thujone. These are nice impressions and comparisons. I think that there is a misperception that the he-4 is inferior because the he400 came after it and therefore it must be an inferior hp. It's not the case at all. It's a really nice hp for sure. It's real shortcoming is the amping requirement. If you can handle the amp requirement you'll have one heck of an experience withe he-4. 

 

Maybe there will be a small resurgence in this hp, although it's out of production now I believe. 

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