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post #841 of 3072

just got the ok from the misses to buy the he4 while trying to sell the 400 and magnum. SO lets hope the he500 isnt still the better suited hp here! thanks for the reply magicman

post #842 of 3072

Last time I was listening to LYR/HE-4 combo was Tarja Turunen solo ACT I concert with stock 6BZ7 tubes in Lyr - what an amazing performance, just like real life experience, large soundstage, full 3D like you were there in the crowd, ultra smooth voice of Tarja (on EF-5 you can easily hear some sibilance in upper mids), best kick drum realism ever and those guitars, overal tonality and euphonics thanks to the tubes ... still have goosebumps every time I think about it, for example in this area EF-5 isn't as good as LYR but for the classical, solo acoustic instruments, jazz, piano, cello, violin - EF-5 wins hands down so you pick your poison

 

what's the most important with Lyr when you turning up the volume knob there is almost no distortion rising at all to my ears - it has to be deeply biased in A class (high idle current)

post #843 of 3072
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Last time I was listening to LYR/HE-4 combo was Tarja Turunen solo ACT I concert with stock 6BZ7 tubes in Lyr - what an amazing performance, just like real life experience, large soundstage, full 3D like you were there in the crowd, ultra smooth voice of Tarja (on EF-5 you can easily hear some sibilance in upper mids), best kick drum realism ever and those guitars, overal tonality and euphonics thanks to the tubes ... still have goosebumps every time I think about it, for example in this area EF-5 isn't as good as LYR but for the classical, solo acoustic instruments, jazz, piano, cello, violin - EF-5 wins hands down so you pick your poison

what's the most important with Lyr when you turning up the volume knob there is almost no distortion rising at all to my ears - it has to be deeply biased in A class (high idle current)
Magic man, a great write up on the Lyr/HE 4 combo. I've been using it exclusively at work and since you've written it so eloquently, I'll just add that the 4 has banished the 400 as far as I am concerned. Euphonic is the word that best describes this HP.
post #844 of 3072
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Magic man, a great write up on the Lyr/HE 4 combo. I've been using it exclusively at work and since you've written it so eloquently, I'll just add that the 4 has banished the 400 as far as I am concerned. Euphonic is the word that best describes this HP.

 

thanks - I'm just trying to help people describing the differences between them (always do my best)

 

listening to the music using headpones has been my hobby and passion for many years (sources, amping, headphones)

 

I hope it helps but as always - different people - different visions of perfect sound, different tastes, different ears etc just check this out using your own ears

 

I am gonna get my emotiva a-100 tomorrow as an ultimate amp for he-4 but we'll see whether it can handle it well

 

btw about that euphonic - it's only with LYR :D on a solid state amp HE-4 sounds completely different and has another strong points ...


Edited by magicman - 11/6/13 at 8:28am
post #845 of 3072
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btw about that euphonic - it's only with LYR biggrin.gif on a solid state amp HE-4 sounds completely different and has another strong points ...


Care to elaborate about the difference with solid states and the he4? Ill be using a vintage ss amp
post #846 of 3072
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Care to elaborate about the difference with solid states and the he4? Ill be using a vintage ss amp

I hear that these pair best with vintage receivers or a beefy tube amp (i.e. warm and powerful amps), so you should be good there...man, I wish I could afford to try these out now...I HOPE that when the time comes there is one somewhere for sale :p

post #847 of 3072
That's why im so anxious to buy one now and worry about selling my gear later. The he500 will be around for a while, the new he4s will be gone soon at the price Justin has them at
post #848 of 3072
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That's why im so anxious to buy one now and worry about selling my gear later. The he500 will be around for a while, the new he4s will be gone soon at the price Justin has them at

Soo very tempting... :evil:

post #849 of 3072
This will be the fourth hp I've bought this year....need to sell the other 3 before I start getting into trouble.
post #850 of 3072

Very nice impressions magic man. I've been down the he-4 path twice and signed up for a third effort with them but decided to bail on the attempt. 

 

The lyr while a good amp for the he-4 is not the end all/be all with the he-4. Honestly, if you consider that the amping requirements for the he-4 are essentially the same as the he-6...then it becomes clear that most of us have not heard the best of the he-4. It requires a small nuclear power plant to get 100% from the he-4. And yes, I know what the specs say, but just bear with me for a moment. 

 

I had the Asgard for time around with the he-4. The volume pot was consistently at 12-1 to get moderate volume levels. I'm usually comfortable between 9-10.  And the sound did not thrill me. I struggled with the V shaped signature as the brightness was fairly fatiguing for me. The bass did not have the same texture and slam that the he400 presented.  Sold it after three months. 

 

Next I had the he-4 with the lyr...much much better. The he-4 with Orange Globe tubes is a pretty darn good match. The V curve relaxes a fair bit. Sub bass really woke up and gained some weight and punch.  Highs mellowed a bit. This combo was more enjoyable than the he400 on the lyr for me. 

 

The last setup that I used for the he-4 before I sold them was he-4 with a vintage Pioneer sx1280. I will try to not to exaggerate the improvement of the he-4 on the sx1280. Let's just say that the improvement was surprising to say the least. The bass took on a true visceral speaker like quality...not bloomy and loose either. Some of the best bass that I've heard anywhere. The mids were smoother and not as recessed. The treble lost most of it's sharpness but was still extended. The pairing with this old vintage amp, along with Jerpads by Modular and the very light weight was hard to give up.  But as they often say, greener grass tends to get me every time. 

 

Next week, I'll have the hd800 and lcd2 on my desk for auditioning. Should be a fun week. 

post #851 of 3072
So Matt, would you say the 500 is the better bet for mids? Are the 4s that v shaped? Tryin to sell of everything, was supposed to buy the 4s this morning but now debating to pull the trigger or save/ trade for the 500....I love/hate these buying decisions!
post #852 of 3072

The he500 will have better mids than the he-4 even with the very best amp on the he-4. If you are after the best mids, go for the he500. 

post #853 of 3072
I'm after the best for rock/metal. No longer a grado fan so am stopping that path with the magnum. Love the 400 but they just lack for rock/metal. I just keep getting conflicting ideas about he4 vs 500 for said genres. Wish I could afford to buy both and return one but lack the funds to do so. Do in what ways would the 4 be better than the 500 for rock and metal? If any?
post #854 of 3072

I'm not the best for specific comparisons with rock between these two hp's. I listen mostly to jazz and pop. I do listen to some rock and for rock I'd pick the he-4 every time. The speed, clarity and instrument separation seem to be better suited for rock on the he4. 

 

The he500 with those nice lush mids work better for vocal-centric music. Female jazz vocalist sound better on the he500. Diana Krall, Patricia Barber, Norah Jones are better on the he500. For classic rock, ie Pink Floyd Led Zeppelin, the he-4 will be better. 

 

Hope this helps. 

post #855 of 3072
It indeed does. Thanks. Looking to again get the 4 then.
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