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post #766 of 2596

The EF-6 would be a great match for the HE-4s.  Get it, you won't be sorry.

post #767 of 2596

It does take a very beastly amp to drive the he-4 properly. The best I've owned is my vintage Sansui 9090. 

post #768 of 2596

first new dac nfb 1.32 (sabre 9018 in current domain - many people compare it to wadia or weiss 202) or metrum octave and next month maybe some EF-6 audition :)

 

he4 are too good to change them to anything, it's just matter to drive them properly, they shock me every day even when using EF-5, I want power of Lyr but with sound signature of EF-5 with a bit stronger bass, EF-6 might be a good try

 

how about built in dact volume stepper in EF-6 - are there any clicks, static or crackling noises ?

 

hey preproman - you could try he4 (can you borrow them from someone near you or something ?) with your ef6 I think you might be shocked how good they are standing next to he6 on this amp


Edited by magicman - 7/28/13 at 12:50pm
post #769 of 2596
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Originally Posted by magicman View Post

first new dac nfb 1.32 (sabre 9018 in current domain - many people compare it to wadia or weiss 202) or metrum octave and next month maybe some EF-6 audition :)

 

he4 are too good to change them to anything, it's just matter to drive them properly, they shock me every day even when using EF-5, I want power of Lyr but with sound signature of EF-5 with a bit stronger bass, EF-6 might be a good try

 

how about built in dact volume stepper in EF-6 - are there any clicks, static or crackling noises ?

 

hey preproman - you could try he4 (can you borrow them from someone near you or something ?) with your ef6 I think you might be shocked how good they are standing next to he6 on this amp

 

Ha ha ha..  Yes - believe me.  When I had the HE-4, HE-5LE, HE-6, and the HE-500 all at the same time.  It was hard to downsize and let either go.

 

The HE-4 and the HE-5LE are very, very under rated - partly because of the amping requirements to get them to sound good.

 

I rank them like this:

 

HE-6 --> HE-5LE --> HE-4 --> HE-500  IMO of course.

 

The last two I kept were the HE-6 and the HE-500 - yes, because they sound the most different.  

 

magicman - you are correct.  The HE-4 does resemble the HE-6 but to a way lesser extent.  The HE-4s can be the overall brighter and thinner soundings headphone when compared to the HE-5LE and the HE-6.  If you think the HE-4 has good bass - and it sure does.  The HE-5LE and the HE-6 builds on top of that and exceeds it.  

 

The HE-4 paired with the EF-6 and the Metrum Octave mk2 - Should be a very, very good combo.  I just heard the Octave mk2 / EF-6 / HE-6 combo - and I liked it.

post #770 of 2596

I may finally change he4 to he6 but in last step, first dac then something like ef6

 

I am very satisfied listening to he4 now, don't need to change them fast

 

have you heard audio-gd 1.32 dac ?

 

it's true that he4 are sometime a bit brighter but upper mids are so clear thanks to this (piano reberbation / decay or rock / metal guitars sound so f&#^$ing amazing, can't believe it, I used to play many instruments and go for acoustic concerts, many instruments sound so true in so many aspects)

 

he4 are source material dependent, there is always something new in their sound when I play another band, sometimes it might be bright, sometimes it is perfectly balanced, never muddy or slow, I love the speed and resolution, bottom end, when there is brightness there is no fatigue though


Edited by magicman - 7/29/13 at 12:10am
post #771 of 2596

Very true all on accounts..

post #772 of 2596
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I'd like to add that the he-4, known to be tough to drive, sounds incredible on some vintage receivers. I've tried the Pioneer sx-650 and now the Sansui 9090db. The Pioneer is very good but the Sansui is simply amazing. 

 

Matt,  In my experience with the vintage gear, the half dozen or so Sansui pieces have always won me over.  The Pioneer, while good, does have a certain "dryness" to the sound signature.  The Sansui tends to be a bit more open and really allows one to connect to the music because of its signature.

post #773 of 2596

Look whos back.  good to see you Wayne..biggrin.gif

post #774 of 2596
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Matt,  In my experience with the vintage gear, the half dozen or so Sansui pieces have always won me over.  The Pioneer, while good, does have a certain "dryness" to the sound signature.  The Sansui tends to be a bit more open and really allows one to connect to the music because of its signature.

 

Yes, the Sansui is appreciably better across the spectrum and just seems to bring out the best in my hp's and also speakers. I'm spending more and more time with speakers for listening. It's tough to for time when I won't disturb anyone and of course hp's can be listened to anytime. 

 

Wayne, you should hear this pair of KLH speakers on the Sansui. They have a similar sound signature to the hd650...just bigger, more dynamic with incredible imaging. I've been listening to Brian Bromberg on this setup this morning. Wow...just wow. If you haven't heard the album "Wood" on a good system...go treat yourself. Amazing jazz bassist. 

post #775 of 2596

hey guys,

 

i've been enjoying my he-4's for about 8 months with a starving student and a grubdac, then a PPA with the grubdac. i've recently upgraded to a schiit bifrost (just got it today). im planning to upgrade the ppa to get the most out of the he-4 for about 400$ for which i should be able to get a used lyr or used ef-5.

 

does anyone have any experience with either of these with an he-4? is there a clear victor?

 

any other recommendations are welcome. im also willing to go over 400$ if the value is there


Edited by kchapdaily - 7/29/13 at 6:28pm
post #776 of 2596

Well, the bifrost will sound fantastic no matter what you put with it. No problems there. The lyr is a very good amp with the right tubes and it pairs well with the he-4. You might be surprised at how much of the pot you have to use on the lyr for the he-4. 

 

For my money, I haven't found anything that beats vintage amps though. If you have any interest just pm me or start with the calling all vintage receiver owner thread. 

post #777 of 2596
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Well, the bifrost will sound fantastic no matter what you put with it. No problems there. The lyr is a very good amp with the right tubes and it pairs well with the he-4. You might be surprised at how much of the pot you have to use on the lyr for the he-4. 

 

For my money, I haven't found anything that beats vintage amps though. If you have any interest just pm me or start with the calling all vintage receiver owner thread. 

thanks for the info. id definitely be interested in learning more about vintage amps.

post #778 of 2596
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Originally Posted by kchapdaily View Post

hey guys,

 

i've been enjoying my he-4's for about 8 months with a starving student and a grubdac, then a PPA with the grubdac. i've recently upgraded to a schiit bifrost (just got it today). im planning to upgrade the ppa to get the most out of the he-4 for about 400$ for which i should be able to get a used lyr or used ef-5.

 

does anyone have any experience with either of these with an he-4? is there a clear victor?

 

any other recommendations are welcome. im also willing to go over 400$ if the value is there

 

you should check out my previous posts in this topic about pairing he4 with lyr or ef5, had both for some time with many different tubes, finally sold lyr, both amps have their own signatures, it's the matter of taste ...

 

http://youtu.be/HU2bQXthJ10?t=9s&hd=1  check this Miller+Cobham combo and see what are he4's capable of in bass aspect


Edited by magicman - 7/30/13 at 10:33am
post #779 of 2596
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Originally Posted by magicman View Post

 

you should check out my previous posts in this topic about pairing he4 with lyr or ef5, had both for some time with many different tubes, finally sold lyr, both amps have their own signatures, it's the matter of taste ...

 

http://youtu.be/HU2bQXthJ10?t=9s&hd=1  check this Miller+Cobham combo and see what are he4's capable of in bass aspect

wish i could hear that video as a flac or something, but i definitely get the idea. the he-4 has some nice sub-bass. 

 

in regards to my amp dilemma, i dont feel like i can bite on either the lyr or the ef-5 yet. if i can find a good deal on a used lyr, i feel like thats what will best suit me. i really like hifiman, and from what ive read, the bifrost/lyr stack has great synergy.

 

im also looking into listening to some vintage receivers. i may go that route as well.

 

does anyone have any other recommendations amp-wise? i need a good amount of power, but if possible id also like to be able to use it with my grados.


Edited by kchapdaily - 7/30/13 at 5:05pm
post #780 of 2596

Regarding vintage receivers, I posted this earlier today (yes, I'm quoting myself):

 

The brands that I like that best are:

 

Sansui (9090, Six, Seven and Eight are all fantastic) 

 

Pioneer (the entry level sx-650 is pretty good as are all the sx-x50 series. The big hitters are the sx-1050 and sx-1250...very desirable but hard to find and expensive. 

 

Marantz are good. I have a 2270 now that I'm liking a good bit. Higher numbers are better and the "B" after a model will designate an improved model typically. 

 

gL!!

 

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