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post #3451 of 3917
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

Lcdx has slightly more rumble and a smidge more qty(not much at all) the he4 has a snappier punch.

Lcd3f is even less deep and punchy than the x. The he4 is more aggressive and open than both but doesn't have the weight of tone either does.

I understand hemi... Not knocking the gd just saying that I doubt the he4 bass will ever be an he400 bass no matter what amp you throw it on. I think the he4 bass is good quality but its not satisfying to me without eq. The LCD x is barely there either.

The he4 won't ever have he400 bass, and that's ok with me since it destroys the he400 in every other aspect

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grizz, definitely give pad rolling a chance. You'll be surprised. From the sounds of it, I feel like you would enjoy the 1540 pads. Definitely more rumbly than stock and only a little bit less air. Those NVX angled pads are very good as well, and you won't have to worry about losing air -- in fact they will even help the soundstage (maybe not as rumbly as the 1540's though, can't remember).

oooh I love 1540 pads. I may give it a crack!

post #3452 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

grizz, definitely give pad rolling a chance. You'll be surprised. From the sounds of it, I feel like you would enjoy the 1540 pads. Definitely more rumbly than stock and only a little bit less air. Those NVX angled pads are very good as well, and you won't have to worry about losing air -- in fact they will even help the soundstage (maybe not as rumbly as the 1540's though, can't remember).

I would say they are near equal, but the NVX pads tilt to a ever-so-slightly warmer bass where the 1540 have a touch more slam/impact but a little (entsy-wentsy) less control.  Both are very similar.   It is hard for me to give up the angles after getting used to the air and soundstage!  Every time I consider selling the HE-4, I pad roll and eventually always land back on the NVX.

 

That said... check this out:

http://www.amazon.com/Foxnovo-Replacement-Cushions-AH-D2000-Headphones/dp/B00UAB7BC4/

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Damn, I already forget what the d2k did to the he4's sound... I think I didn't find them well suited. The th600 pads on the other hand were good with the he4 for a warm tilt.
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have an He560 which i plan to use with an JDSLabs O2 amp "not the odac combo". I will be connecting an Ipod Touch to the amp with an FiiO L9 cable. Will the O2 be amping the ipod or the phones? Where does the ipod's amp come in? I already use the FiioE11k with the ipod touch with the Sennheiser Momentum. The headphones are what is getting more mws, not the ipod/ipods amp, correct? The senns got me into the "audiophile" world, not that the momentums are exactly high fidelity, but they are close. like right on the verge of midfi becoming hifi.

post #3455 of 3917
Uh..are you in the right place? ^ (not trying to be rude)

Anyways your chain will be ipod - o2 - he560. So your ipod dac will send a line-out signal to the o2 which will create your mw for the HE560.
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have an He560 which i plan to use with an JDSLabs O2 amp "not the odac combo". I will be connecting an Ipod Touch to the amp with an FiiO L9 cable. Will the O2 be amping the ipod or the phones? Where does the ipod's amp come in? I already use the FiioE11k with the ipod touch with the Sennheiser Momentum. The headphones are what is getting more mws, not the ipod/ipods amp, correct? The senns got me into the "audiophile" world, not that the momentums are exactly high fidelity, but they are close. like right on the verge of midfi becoming hifi.

Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 3/23/15 at 10:48pm
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That said... check this out:

http://www.amazon.com/Foxnovo-Replacement-Cushions-AH-D2000-Headphones/dp/B00UAB7BC4/

 

Ooooo, that's a great deal. They fit perfectly on the HFM cans but I don't remember liking the sound a whole lot, a little bass-light if I remember. Actually, I wonder how these would work if you made a bass vent -- similar to your NVX pads....

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I was so close to buying the HE-4, they are described to be the sound I like and the FR graph follows suit, but now with the Audeze EL-8 out, I'm dying waiting for a frequency graph on them to see if they compare to the HE-4.

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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post
 

I was so close to buying the HE-4, they are described to be the sound I like and the FR graph follows suit, but now with the Audeze EL-8 out, I'm dying waiting for a frequency graph on them to see if they compare to the HE-4.

 

I find it highly unlikely that Audeze will ever make anything as V-shaped as the HE-4.  The Audeze house sound is warm and mid-centric and the HE-4 is basically the exact opposite.  The closest you're going to get is the LCD-X, but it's over $1000 more and sounds like it.

 

Also, based on the EL-8 I heard at CES, they're going for a more balanced sound.

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^ Balanced sound is fine with me! It's actually what I'm after, LCD-X seems quite balanced, I hope EL-8 follows suit. The only thing I absolutely must have is zero sub bass roll off, otherwise whats the point of going open planar lol.

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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post

^ Balanced sound is fine with me! It's actually what I'm after, LCD-X seems quite balanced, I hope EL-8 follows suit. The only thing I absolutely must have is zero sub bass roll off, otherwise whats the point of going open planar lol.

I would recommend getting the HE-4 only if you plan to pair it with a great amp. It benefits from some warmth in the chain, but shines when fully balanced. If you have any sensitivity to upper treble, these cans could get fatiguing quickly at loud volumes, with poor equipment, and/or with poor quality recordings.

Bass, especially sub-bass, is exceptional, but not having a proper seal with the pads can suck that right out...

These cans are very resolving, and a smidgen more fun than my HD800s. So far, there's only been one can that's made me not go back to these and that's my new TH600s. Before the Fostex, my HE-4 had always been the first and last headphone I reach for each session.

I do feel the HE-4 is surprisingly under rated in this community, and was unfairly overshadowed by the HE-500, which to my ears feels congested and stuffy by comparison. The HE-500 is certainly a good headphones, but it has its weaknesses, until heavily modded.

Don't think the HE-4 is not an end-all-be-all can. It has its weaknesses, for me the big one is it's laid back mids, mostly with male vocals. Pad rolling can help this, and not take away from it's strengths. I have found many mid-forward cans tend to be more forgiving, but to me, far less engaging.

I don't think I'll ever be able to sell off the HE-4, but the TH-600 has certainly given me a pause in selecting the HE-4 as my first-in-line with most of the music I listen to.

*Edited for grammar..

Oh, and I want to add...

The HE-4, to my knowledge, was the first Planar to implement a single-sided magnet array. Though probably not the first of it's kind... I do find it funny how all these companies, including Hifiman, are now following suit. All more ironic, they are all priced quite a bit higher than the HE-4, yet no reviewer is giving any nod to this headphone.

If you look ay the build of the HE-560, the look remarkably similar in construction. Dare I say, the HE-560 is just a slightly more refined HE-4 with better aesthetics, comfort, and some materials?

There's only a few headphones out right now that I feel over deliver for where they are priced. You can decide on the others, but I'll hold on to my HE-4 until someone comes out with a planar that weighs less and can safely out perform my favorite fingerprint-magnet! wink.gif
Edited by mrscotchguy - 3/26/15 at 9:07am
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Open EL-8 FR graph: http://www.audeze.com/sites/default/files/images/EL8_Open_KU100_FR.jpg

 

Bass and sub bass is equally extended and flat on EL-8 and HE-4.

 

Mids aren't as recessed on EL-8, flat to about 2-3khz then a 10dB dip, while HE-4 starts slowly dipping much earlier at 500hz then at 1khz a 10dB dip.

 

Treble wise, HE-4 has 2-3 dB more treble energy between 6-9khz, while EL-8 has substantially better treble extension between 10-20khz.

 

 

So EL-8 is looking mighty good as a more balanced sounding HE-4 alternative. I suppose that the HE-400i and HE-560 are the proper competition for the EL-8.

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Originally Posted by T.R.A.N.C.E. View Post

Open EL-8 FR graph: http://www.audeze.com/sites/default/files/images/EL8_Open_KU100_FR.jpg

Bass and sub bass is equally extended and flat on EL-8 and HE-4.aren't as recessed on EL-8, flat to about 2-3khz then a 10dB dip, while HE-4 starts slowly dipping much earlier at 500hz then at 1khz a 10dB dip.

Treble wise, HE-4 has 2-3 dB more treble energy between 6-9khz, while EL-8 has substantially better treble extension between 10-20khz.


So EL-8 is looking mighty good as a more balanced sounding HE-4 alternative. I suppose that the HE-400i and HE-560 are the proper competition for the EL-8.

I wouldn't hold too much to that FQ chart... it looks way to smoothed out. That said, if it is in fact accurate, it would seem to be a very balanced sound signature, leaning towards relaxed and maybe even boring for my tastes.

I'm down to listen to the EL-8, hopefully the local shop has one I can listen to and compare with my HE-4.

I never felt the LCD2 had the sub-bass presence our HE-4 has, when compared side-by-side. I felt the LCD-X was getting closer... hopefully the EL series can bridge the gap between Hifiman and Audeze now that they only have the magnet on one side.
post #3463 of 3917
Soo... I may have just broke down any bought a pair of Audeze micro-velour earpads. cool.gif

Anyone try these yet?
post #3464 of 3917
He4 isn't THAT v shaped. I have yet to feel the treble be overpowering, but that could be because I've learned to listen at much lower volumes. That being said, vocals are a bit in the back, but not enough to truly bug me. From other headfiers I've really gotten to the point where I don't want to move forward until I get rich and can afford an sr007 or he1000 setup. Honestly at that point I'd rather just build a Maggie speaker setup. The he4 is an insanely underrated hp, even still, it caught some steam and got attention but still, not as much as I feels it deserves. I truly do look forward to hearing from Mrscotchguy about the audeze pads! Because I'm looking for new pads, my alcantaras are squished down, so I'll move on to something else for a bit.
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Has anyone compared the HE-4 to the HE-400i ? Both similar price so that's where the real is question for me.

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