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post #2806 of 2820
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


... We get your beef with him. Just block each other and move on.
 

No beef at all, Ron has contributed immensely with his pad rolling and such, I just sometimes feel a need to interject when I read non-experienced based definitive comments, my apology to you Ron and the thread if I came across that way.

post #2807 of 2820
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

No beef at all, Ron has contributed immensely with his pad rolling and such, I just sometimes feel a need to interject when I read non-experienced based definitive comments, my apology to you Ron and the thread if I came across that way.

 

I don't feel offended... I understand what you are trying to say.

 

The discussion about Schiit was rather rare - I wanted to hear some opinions of other people about it... I should be more clear about that maybe. Other than that, I always try to be negative or criticise about something I have personal experience with. I, for example, never criticised HE-560 itself in its dedicated thread - only FocusPad and FocusPad-A (and honestly, I still feel Hifiman deserves the criticism here even though I like HE-4 and HE-500 and their older pads quite a lot... I even appreciate HE-400 even though I dislike its FR).


Edited by Ron12 - Yesterday at 12:57 pm
post #2808 of 2820
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Well, in the US it seems to be overrated indeed... In Europe? No one gives a schiit about Schiit AFAIK. I have even seen quite a lot of folks calling it a completely unusable trash. So I would say even underrated in Europe. But again, I haven't heard the stuff... Just speculating, nothing more.

 

 

Here in France Schiit & Garage 1217 stuff are both very appreciated :wink_face: . When I said "overrated" in my post above, it was on Head-fi

post #2809 of 2820
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Here in France Schiit & Garage 1217 stuff are both very appreciated :wink_face: . When I said "overrated" in my post above, it was on Head-fi

 

I see... Thanks, good to know about the situation in France.

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Here in France Schiit & Garage 1217 stuff are both very appreciated wink_face.gif . When I said "overrated" in my post above, it was on Head-fi
is there another source of Garage 1217 locally there? Or closer in the EU? Didn't the other designer reside in Holland?
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is there another source of Garage 1217 locally there? Or closer in the EU? Didn't the other designer reside in Holland?

 

I don't know. Usually, people buy directly on the garage1217 website.  SCHIIT stuff has an official dealer : audiphonics.fr ;)

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Honestly, I would like to know how come that Schiit is so popular around here...

From all the stuff they have done so far, I would only call Magni and Bifrost a really notable addition to the audiophile world. All the other stuff (Asgard, Valhalla, Lyr, Mjolnir, Modi, Gungnir) is rather average in comparison to competitive products. Schiit Wyrd and others too new to draw any conclusion. However, I have to stress that I have never heard anything from Schiit - here I am only speaking off my memory, going through the tons of reviews and comparisons I have read until now regarding Schiit products.
I also haven't heard any of their products but I think their biggest advantage is "Made in USA". That doesnt mean the build quality is any better than Chinese products but you get as close as it gets in quality for the price plus people like to support local products. Their stuff isn't overpriced and they seem to be honest and fun. However I monitor FS forum quite often to maybe come across a good deal and I recently noticed quite a few Modi/Vali combos for sale or trade so it could be a "temporary" thing with their products.
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I don't know. Usually, people buy directly on the garage1217 website.  SCHIIT stuff has an official dealer : audiphonics.fr ;)


THat's interesting G1217 is more popular there than here. I think the problem here is the thought that people who see the panels relate the build to the Bravo series, which are cheaper alternatives. Not sure on their sound though..



A couple of awesome shots from the Polaris thread below. Like the member says on the thread, the only amp he sees having precision or matched resistors was the Soloist. Just one of the things that shows how much attention is paid to details with G1217.

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After around 5 hours of listening, I can say I'm extremely happy with the Polaris! She really brings my HE400's to life. Astonishing bass and very clear across all the spectrum! I doubt I'll give a decent review as this is my first amp and my ears aren't well trained but once I get my settings figured out and have some time under my belt I'll be certain to throw a review up! Also an absolutely beautiful amp!

Here she is!


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - Yesterday at 2:54 pm
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I apologize if this is getting super derailed but another under-rated in all of head-fi IMO are Beresford DACs. I think it's up to par with BiFrost DACS honestly and despite being only an optical/coaxial input DAC, it somes amazing for the $ which I pair with the Polaris and Ember to the HE4. 

There's one FS locally for a great price too: http://www.head-fi.org/t/730919/beresford-bushmaster-mkii-tc-7533-w-psu-2-ics-orig-battery-version-free-shipping-fees#post_10835770

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

I apologize if this is getting super derailed but another under-rated in all of head-fi IMO are Beresford DACs. I think it's up to par with BiFrost DACS honestly and despite being only an optical/coaxial input DAC, it somes amazing for the $ which I pair with the Polaris and Ember to the HE4. 


There's one FS locally for a great price too: http://www.head-fi.org/t/730919/beresford-bushmaster-mkii-tc-7533-w-psu-2-ics-orig-battery-version-free-shipping-fees#post_10835770

I was eyeballing that, but just wasn't fast enough...
post #2816 of 2820
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I was eyeballing that, but just wasn't fast enough...


Not too many of them go FS. I still kept mine even though I'm mainly going off of my DX100 for music now. I can still do a Coaxial out to the Beresford if the DX100 becomes too fatiguing (which it is for the HE560 on A LOT of albums). Plus it has 4 inputs total so I can have the DVD/Blu-Ray, computer, DAP, and an extra coaxial input empty. Very nice little unit!


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - Yesterday at 4:23 pm
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You people, making me want to ditch my audio-gd, and buy a cheap dac, and a project polaris, i hate this place.

 

edit- but i still love you all

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

I apologize if this is getting super derailed but another under-rated in all of head-fi IMO are Beresford DACs. I think it's up to par with BiFrost DACS honestly and despite being only an optical/coaxial input DAC, it somes amazing for the $ which I pair with the Polaris and Ember to the HE4. 

 

 

 

You've spotted my next dac purchase... ;) 

 

I'm very curious about this dac. I see some very trustable head-fiers who bought a Beresford a few times ago and still live with it although they bought ans sometimes sold more known dacs.  And I rarely see one in the Classified... For me it's more informative and trustable than a mega big and noisy thread ;) .. I've adviced the bushmaster to my friends. One bought it last week and the other will maybe pull the trigger soon but we found a used Audio GD DAC19DSP. With those famous PCM1704uk R2R chip.

 

One member of our french "head-fi" bought and tried the Polaris. He's on the way to build a TOTL HD800 based rig but he really appreciated a lot this new Polaris.  But, you know this business. it's too new . Ember is known for many years now. we have reliable review .  For the Polaris , maybe we'll have a more complete and accurate picture in a couple of years.

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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

 

You've spotted my next dac purchase... ;) 

 

I'm very curious about this dac. I see some very trustable head-fiers who bought a Beresford a few times ago and still live with it although they bought ans sometimes sold more known dacs.  And I rarely see one in the Classified... 

They're great DACS but to drive Hifimans (besides the 300,400(i)) you'll need to send the signal to an amp to fully appreciate them. Specially the HE4s, but the HE560s can sound fantastic around 3-4 o'clock. The internal workings of the amp section of the Bushmaster 2 just isn't cut for demanding orthos. However, the DAC section is excellent at pulling details, keeps the sound true but doesn't quite have the bottom end of the Audio-GD (Wolfson chip at least). It does however do a nice balance of a neutral sound with a black background. Bass details is fantastic if the headphone can produce it (HE560), mids are very well present and in line with the the lows and highs, and the highs are also well presented with great extension minus sibilants. You won't however get hard impact bass with bloom as the bottom end is more a reference style, tight and fast. Unless you're listening to soundtracks, playing games, or watching movies. Those take bass to a different level. It takes some time to burn-in the brain, at least it did for me, as it was a bit underwhelming at first coming from a Dual Wolfson NFB12 to an Ember (can you say warmth with a good compromise of detail) but after several days of listening you start hearing details on the mids and highs that wasn't very audible or brought forward with a warmer DAC. There but just more of an afterthought rather than, HEAR THIS DETAIL!!

This is where the HE4 comes in. Ideally you'd want a clean DAC with all the details at all ranges without coloring and leave color for either your amp or tube or headphone or a combo...but with the nature of the HE4 being naturally bright and the fact that the Wolfson chips can produce details with a warm signature, I think it's fantastic synergy. BTW, NFB12 + Ember was an AMAZING chain for the HE4s. Also just recently an  HE560 owner got a hold of a Dual Wolfson Audio-GD with something like 6W into 50ohms balanced, I told him to prepare to get his socks blown off..and sure enough he can't believe his ears. The Wolfsons aren't a very popular choice either when spending the big mula on a DAC/Amp for some reason, maybe something to do with the fact that they have warmth and people automatically think coloration = big no no at the DAC section. Once you hear it though, specially balanced, man... it's quite an amazing sound. 

Interested to see what the Project Ember does for Hemipow with his balanced Audio GD dual wolfson (since it'll be going balanced to non-balanced). From my experience it'll still keep the warmth of the Wolfsons but add a touch of tube magic to the sound. What'll be interesting is how the soundstage and imaging changes. 

Edit: I have to add that when I was using the Beresford BM MkII, I was using a V-Link 192 transport as well.


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - Today at 1:24 am
post #2820 of 2820

I'm interested in the Bushmaster as dac only. I don't really care about integrated headphone amp. ;)

 

 

NFB12/12.1/15.32 or NFB5 are great choices for HE-4 compliant DAC/AMP combos IMO . Before I sold my HE-4 to Ron12 , the headphone belonged to a friend . he associated the HE-4 with an other audioGD , the NFB10something .. ES2 ? SE2 ? dunno.. wolfson based  too but the result was not as great as I had with the NFB12.1.

 

If I had to downgrade drastically my Desktop HD800 rig without two much SQ loss I'd go to the a HE-4/NFB12 rig for sure :)

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