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post #2686 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

Old velour on the left, current velour on the right:

 

 

Yes, the current velour pads are much more prone to collecting dust... All 4 current velour pads I have here look like this while all 3 old velour pads are less impacted by dust. :-)

 

Damn. I have the one on the right and a different one to that as well. 

 

From here: http://www.headfonia.com/new-hifiman-cable-and-pads/

 

I definitely have this one as well (I called it the new): http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hifiman_new_pads_03.jpg

 

Are these two different ones?: http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hifiman_new_pads_04.jpg Original/old on the left and newer on the right?

post #2687 of 3290
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Originally Posted by stang View Post
 

 

Damn. I have the one on the right and a different one to that as well. 

 

From here: http://www.headfonia.com/new-hifiman-cable-and-pads/

 

I definitely have this one as well (I called it the new): http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hifiman_new_pads_03.jpg

 

Are these two different ones?: http://www.headfonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hifiman_new_pads_04.jpg Original/old on the left and newer on the right?

 

From my experience, the difference cannot be observed simply by looking at the texture of the material... I have some current velours that look soft and other that look slightly worn (therefore loosing their smooth texture).

 

You should feel the difference though... Old velour pads are considerably softer on touch - they are soft while current velours are rougher on touch. It's easy to spot. Another difference is the clamping force when you have your headphones on your head - the old velour pads will be more comfortable as they are slightly more squashy, making the clamping force weaker. Other difference is proneness to collecting dust as demonstrated... And I am not aware of any old velour not being shipped with the crappy transparent plastic mounting mechanism.

 

In short, I don't think there is any third version of velour pads... Old velour is not being manufactured for almost 3 years.

post #2688 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

In short, I don't think there is any third version of velour pads... Old velour is not being manufactured for almost 3 years.

 

My two velours are vastly different, however. Sound and texture/material. I doubt it is hideously poor QC, but it is a possibility. One pair looks like that first jpg and the other pair looks like the right earpad on the second jpg. Strange. 

post #2689 of 3290
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Originally Posted by stang View Post
 

 

My two velours are vastly different, however. Sound and texture/material. I doubt it is hideously poor QC, but it is a possibility. One pair looks like that first jpg and the other pair looks like the right earpad on the second jpg. Strange. 

 

Maybe you could post an image or two of how the pads look like?

post #2690 of 3290
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Maybe you could post an image or two of how the pads look like?

 

I certainly will in the morning (midnight here, time for bed). Also, one set of the earpads are a deep black and the other has a blue tinge to it and is more reflective. 

post #2691 of 3290
I'm gonna assume that you have the newish velours, and the newest velour. The 'newish' velour IIRC has the current tab design, but it was PERMANENTLY AFFIXED to the pads (I'm not completely sure here, despite having owned two HE400s with newish pads). From what I'm seeing of the NEWEST velour, you can slip off the pads from the attachment mechanism? This is why for awhile, I was confused as to how people were able to use different brand pads on the HE-400, when you couldn't 'mount' them on anything before, and I had assumed they diud it by stretching the pads over the lip of the cups themselves. I need someone to clarify if there were ever velours AFTER the plastic clear tab that had permanently affixed tabs in the style of the new velours.

Asking a legitimate question here.

Also, there is no ands ifs or buts. The difference between the OLD velour and new velour in terms of softness and squishiness are absolutely NIGHT AND DAY. The new velour feels like crap in comparison to the old one.

Stang, are both your sets of velours able to be taken off the plastic tab ring?
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/17/14 at 7:54am
post #2692 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'm gonna assume that you have the newish velours, and the newest velour. The 'newish' velour IIRC has the current tab design, but it was STUCK to the pads. From what I'm seeing of the NEWEST velour, you can slip off the pads from the attachment mechanism?

Asking a legitimate question here.

Also, there is no ands ifs or buts. The difference between the OLD velour and new velour in terms of softness and squishiness are absolutely NIGHT AND DAY. The new velour feels like crap in comparison to the old one.

 

Well, I wouldn't say completely night and day... But I know what you mean - it's significant.

post #2693 of 3290
To me it's night and day. It's two very different velour pads. As different as DT880 velours vs Q701 velours. They're both velour, but they didn't feel anything alike.
post #2694 of 3290
Does anyone have a link for a disassembly guide for Hifiman cans? I am not about to sift through the HE-400 and HE-500 threads to find a couple pictures.

I am think I might want to plasti-dip the outer shells to prevent wear and tear, and smudges of course.
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I am amazed how nicely HE-4 sounds with the modified Star felt mod... Nicely damped and well-behaved with black background but also with wide soundstage and nice portion or airiness.

 

STOCK:

 

PREVIOUS STAR FELT MOD

 

COMBINATION OF STOCK AND NO STAR-FELT HE-4:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems that as I left more or less the whole driver area free of any felt, there remains the nice openness, airiness, smoothness in treble and better mids. However, as I covered the area around driver with felt as was true in the stock state, overall sound is more damped, with more well-behaved and as a result even more natural FR. I cannot confirm this with graphs unfortunately but I encourage anyone to give it a try and report back one's subjective impressions.

 

I am trying not to exaggerate but I really feel that the headphone behaves very nicely and controlled with no limitation right now. I am using dust covers instead of grills so I still get protection with less of a compromise in terms of sound openness... HOWEVER, I still think that with no grill/dust cover, sound is a bit more effortless and open. But one cannot have everything...

 


Edited by Ron12 - 8/17/14 at 11:14am
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Unfortunately my camera and/or lens have decided to be useless and result in a huge bit of lack of contrast right where I focus on the pads, so I don't think I will be able to put up a decent image.

 

edit: After a bit of work, I managed to process them into somewhat useable images. I may try resolve the issue at a later date, but hopefully you can at least tell they are very different.

 

I will provide links so you can select the resolution you want to view it at yourself.

 

Older: https://flic.kr/p/oKj4XL

 

Newer: https://flic.kr/p/ouRb9V

 

I would definitely say that link I provided to that review shows them considerably better. But as you can see, the older type definitely attracts more dust and hair etc (especially cat hairs it would seem :tongue:)


Edited by stang - 8/17/14 at 5:56pm
post #2697 of 3290

Here are two more (tried with different lens, I think the other lens has a coating issue or similar):

 

Top: https://flic.kr/p/oMk1vC

 

Underside: https://flic.kr/p/oMk2k3

 

As you can see, they both have the same mounting mechanism and the cloth (dust/hair cover) is vastly different. The material used for the earpads is also very different. 

post #2698 of 3290
That seems more of a difference between batches than anything, alot of cathair in the way to really see any difference at all.
Its different material though as it appears, but hifiman is notorious for inconsistencies, Its crazy, im willing to bet alot of our he4s have very subtle but apparent differences.
Edited by hemipowered007 - 8/17/14 at 8:32pm
post #2699 of 3290
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

That seems more of a difference between batches than anything, alot of cathair in the way to really see any difference at all.
Its different material though as it appears, but hifiman is notorious for inconsistencies, Its crazy, im willing to bet alot of our he4s have very subtle but apparent differences.

 

If they really are supposed to be the same, this is the worst case of product consistency (or lack thereof) I have experienced. Not that it bothers me as it's great to have different sounding earpads. Here is a cropped version of one of the images:

 


Edited by stang - 8/18/14 at 2:21am
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On a different note, has anyone here (yes, I have searched before and found some helpful results but the more the better) found a difference in sound with the HE-4 over time (ie: burn-in)? I have read that some people don't find planars change much if at all over time. I was wondering if anyone here experienced anything different (even if it is placebo). 

 

I sure am glad I switched over to vinyl because digital sounds pretty awful with these (sounded okay with LCD-2). Bright, harsh and lifeless/bodyless. The lifeless aspect is due to the DAC I think. My Buffalo II was amazing in this regard, but due to a few reasons I have moved away from digital. I know technically digital is far superior, but I only listen to (well, 95%) 70s and 80s rock, so I highly doubt that would take advantage of CDs very much. Technically speaking, that is. 


Edited by stang - 8/18/14 at 4:10pm
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