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post #2536 of 3290
The Alpha Pads are bar none, the best leather pads I've ever worn, so it's understandable. But in the Florida heat... a definite no go.
post #2537 of 3290
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

Stupid question, but how do you remove the pads on the he-4?

 

Use the HE-4 guide in my signature and navigate to CHANGING PADS section. There is a link to a youtube video explaining that.

post #2538 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post

Use the HE-4 guide in my signature and navigate to CHANGING PADS section. There is a link to a youtube video explaining that.
thanks
post #2539 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The Alpha Pads are bar none, the best leather pads I've ever worn, so it's understandable. But in the Florida heat... a definite no go.

Ya that humidity wouldnt work, thats why the alcantaras are great. They dont get hot like pleathers/lambskin/velours do, they breathe they stay cool and dry, theyre perfect for the he4 and i really hope people start trying them more here. The new HFM pads have no appeal for me, and im honestly done changing pads, tried the alphas again, and i really prefer the alcantaras since the only little thing they do is add a slight "warmth". The alphas are just killer for the fostex t50, but the same goes for the he4 and 1540 pads, its a match made in heaven, my offer still stands if anyone wants to try them, i pay shipping to you, you pay shipping back, with usps flat rate its 5 bucks. 

post #2540 of 3290
I'd take you up on that offer, but I don't have the equipment to juice the HE-4. I've been wanting to trry the 1540 pads on an HFM.... Hell if I ever get the 400i, I'll consider getting the 1540 pads still.
post #2541 of 3290

do you have an he4 again mle? 

post #2542 of 3290
Oh I thought you meant the HE4 itself. No. Currently I don't have any serious equipment. Monster DNA Pro (damn good closed headphone), Ultrasone 15G are my two mains, and an E17 for a dac/amp. Had to cut down, due to financial binds and all.
post #2543 of 3290
Id loan out my he4 too, as long as its a trusted head-fier like yourself. Shipping would be more like $15 but I would definitely do it.
post #2544 of 3290
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post
 

 he4 and 1540 pads, its a match made in heaven,

Glad you agree with my thoughts on them. I would never even consider  any thing else now that my ears adapted to them.

post #2545 of 3290

I've compared HE-400, HE-4 and HE-500 using my Yulong DA8 and tested the amp/DAC to limit from both headphone and fully-balanced preamp out in order to find out whether HE-4 really shows some signs of underpowered performance. Side-by-side with highly efficient and so-called very easy-to-drive HE-400, HE-4 performed absolutely in the same way even on very loud levels and with dynamically varied music. There was no sign of clipping, lack of transparency, speed or soundstage... Both headphones performed effortlessly but HE-400 had more bass (but not of a better quality, it was on par with HE-4 for me) while HE-4 had more high-end kind of sound (more transparent, clear, detailed, blacker background, deeper soundstage).

 

My personal conclusion is, and it fully corresponds with the table below, that so-called extremely hard-to-drive nature of HE-4 is a myth. HE-4 are simply not uberbassy headphones unless you power them with a warm vintage gear or bassy high-power amps like Emotiva, Lyr or EF-5 (or use EQ) so yes, they do not sound as dynamical or hard-hitting or full or something like that. HE-400 and HE-500 are both a bit more bassy but in terms of quality, HE-4 are definitely at least on par with both.

 

 

Btw, HE-4 with pleather pads sounded VERY similar to HE-500 with my old velour pads (which I prefered over pleathers on them). In general, I find all these three Hifimans quite similar sounding even though differences definitely do exist (for example sibilance on HE-400)... My friend told me, after hearing ALL Hifiman headphones, that they are so similar that it does not make any sense to own any more than one Hifiman headphone. And I agree - I would rather slightly EQ pleathered HE-4 to get the HE-500 FR than buy the HE-500 alone as it really was very very close. And HE-4 are completely on par with HE-500 technically anyway - if not very slightly better due to more resolving and a bit faster nature which can be observed especially in bass department.

 

And btw - HE-4 are much more comfortable than HE-400 and especially HE-500 which feel like a brick on your head.


Edited by Ron12 - 7/21/14 at 2:27pm
post #2546 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

I've compared HE-400, HE-4 and HE-500 using my Yulong DA8 and tested the amp/DAC to limit from both headphone and fully-balanced preamp out in order to find out whether HE-4 really shows some signs of underpowered performance. Side-by-side with highly efficient and so-called very easy-to-drive HE-400, HE-4 performed absolutely in the same way even on very loud levels and with dynamically varied music. There was no sign of clipping, lack of transparency, speed or soundstage... Both headphones performed effortlessly but HE-400 had more bass (but not of a better quality, it was on par with HE-4 for me) while HE-4 had more high-end kind of sound (more transparent, clear, detailed, blacker background, deeper soundstage).

 

My personal conclusion is, and it fully corresponds with the table below, that so-called extremely hard-to-drive nature of HE-4 is a myth. HE-4 are simply not uberbassy headphones unless you power them with a warm vintage gear or bassy high-power amps like Emotiva, Lyr or EF-5 (or use EQ) so yes, they do not sound as dynamical or hard-hitting or full or something like that. HE-400 and HE-500 are both a bit more bassy but in terms of quality, HE-4 are definitely at least on par with both.

 

 



It's not just a matter of volume but quality of sound. I tried the HE4 on a E18 and it sounds terrible simply put. Closed soundstage, piercing highs, no bass, and everything just sounds closed in. The HE400 on the other hand sound very much like it would plugged to the 900mW D100 as it did on the e18. E18 puts out 300mw @ 32ohm fwiw.
 

post #2547 of 3290
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It's not just a matter of volume but quality of sound. I tried the HE4 on a E18 and it sounds terrible simply put. Closed soundstage, piercing highs, no bass, and everything just sounds closed in. The HE400 on the other hand sound very much like it would plugged to the 900mW D100 as it did on the e18. E18 puts out 300mw @ 32ohm fwiw.

 

Yes but you changed more than just the power. It could be something else in the d100 that makes it sound better than the e18 with the he-4.
post #2548 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 



It's not just a matter of volume but quality of sound. I tried the HE4 on a E18 and it sounds terrible simply put. Closed soundstage, piercing highs, no bass, and everything just sounds closed in. The HE400 on the other hand sound very much like it would plugged to the 900mW D100 as it did on the e18. E18 puts out 300mw @ 32ohm fwiw.
 

 

Well, HE-4 had better soundstage out of the DA8 than HE-400 if it helps... I didn't compare on my smartphone though, shame. HE-4 sound quite good out of my Fonepad as it is a warm-sounding smartphone but I can definitely hear congested soundstage and more grainy and sharp sound. Though I wouldn't say that I hear NO BASS that way - that would definitely be a hyperbole.

 

I still think that this high-power or high power reserves demand for HE-4 is a myth. Though, if you have a look at the HE-6 (the table above), it makes sense to imply that you definitely need something with power to drive them well, especially with classical music and similar (and especially if you tend to listen loud).

post #2549 of 3290
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post


Yes but you changed more than just the power. It could be something else in the d100 that makes it sound better than the e18 with the he-4.


This is true as a Schiit Vali with 1.2W still sounds very closed in, just the nature of the amp I presume. However there was clipping on the HE4 where there isn't on the HE400 when using the E18. ;)

The HE4 to sound great does need power. That's just my experience YMMV


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 7/21/14 at 3:21pm
post #2550 of 3290
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 


This is true as a Schiit Vali with 1.2W still sounds very closed in, just the nature of the amp I presume. However there was clipping on the HE4 where there isn't on the HE400 when using the E18. ;)

The HE4 to sound great does need power. That's just my experience YMMV

+1 on that, I just got the NFB-15 (2014) from Audio-gd and compared to my old iBasso D7 it's night and day difference, more opened, detailed, more bass. I know that the D7 it's more of a portable amp and goes about 150mWpc but it just did not sounded good plus it had some distortion at higher volume.

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