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post #2461 of 2582

HIFIMAN PLEATHER PADS ANGLE MOD:

 

Introduction

 

I noticed some discomfort when wearing the pleather pads... There was some unnatural pressure on my cheeks in the frontal area. I decided to look inside the pads and spotted some gray-coloured ring inserted inside most probably to make the pads less squashy and more deep (less shallow). After a moment, I've got an idea... To use that gray-coloured ring in a different way to make the pads angled.

 

How to do it?

 

Here is an image of the gray-coloured ring:

 

(thanks to conquerator2 for the pic)

 

What you need to do is to pull out the ring and bend it twice, then insert inside as seen on the picture below (on the left). As it's bended twice, the overall length is 4x shorter => quadrant-shaped. If you want, you could try to bend it only once => you will get a semi-circle (but the final angle will be of course smaller).

 

 

 

In the first picture, you can see how exactly I use the gray-coloured ring in order to create the angle (on the left)... Note: In comparison to new hybrid FocusPad from Hifiman (on the right), pleather pads are much more spacious.

 

 

In the second picture, you can see that the created angle of pleather pads (on the left) is very very good and absolutely on par with the new hybrid Hifiman pads (on the right)...

 

 

How does it affect sound and comfort?

 

An important side effect of this modification is improved level of comfort... As the gray-coloured ring is inserted in the rear area of pleather pads only, there is no preasure on you cheeks in the frontal area as I previously unfortunately experienced. The pads very nicely hold their shape in the rear area while they settle nicely in the front area, making the angle obvious. However, it make take some adjustments to find the ideal position for gray-coloured ring in relation to the pads AND to your head as well. It also does not hold in place perfectly over time so you would need to secure it perfectly using a strong double-sided tape if a permanent fit is needed, for example.

 

As for the sound, soundstage realism is improved, sound scene is pushed a bit in front of me... Imaging is also slightly better due to the angle. Sense of openness is as great as with velour pads (significant improvement over stock pleathers as the pads are not as squashy and shallow). No cons really here.

 

 

PART OF THE HIFIMAN HE-4 MODIFICATION AND PAD-ROLLING GUIDE


Edited by Ron12 - 7/13/14 at 1:53am
post #2462 of 2582

Btw, I didn't like the production hybrid pads very much... They are small for my ears and soundwise I don't see anything special about them. I am gonna get the FocusPad-A pre-pads though to see if they can do any difference to my opinion.

 

I am quite upset as the new pads are nowhere near the advertised inner diameter of 6 cm... but Hifiman agreed to send me the pre-pads at a very reasonable cost so I am going to give them a chance.

post #2463 of 2582
So let me get this straight: You went from complaining about the focus pad's inner diameter being too small, and are getting the pre-pads which have an even smaller diameter? Makes sense.
post #2464 of 2582

If I remember right he was the one that received a pair of focus pads with inner diameters that were way smaller than standard-- 5.3cm vs 6cm if I remember correctly.

 

The focus a pads differ from the focus pads in that they have a lip for the ear to tuck behind.  The focus pads just have a wall ala audeze.

post #2465 of 2582
Ah, yeah. But I wonder if he'll complain about the pads still touching his ears despite them tucking in.
post #2466 of 2582

DId I mention to you guys that my Beyer Pads are now angled due to use, the front of the pad is now some what squahsed in, creating an angle on my face, I cleaned the pads and when they dried the angle was more apparant <3

 

Good ole WORN IN Beyer pads! Still my fave sound

 

Hoping to get the Velour Angles from Hifiman when my budget can afford em

post #2467 of 2582

My old DT990's pads were so worn in that they were like 1/2 the thickness of what they originally were.  I like soft pads, but the downside is they just don't keep their form.  

post #2468 of 2582
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Ah, yeah. But I wonder if he'll complain about the pads still touching his ears despite them tucking in.

 

No I won't be complaining... I fully expect the other version of pads to be as problematic. But Hifiman offered me to send me another pair of pads (not completely for free but for a fair price) and I decided that I want to give the pre version a chance as it should be more linear in FR and one guy on the HE-560 thread found them a little better in terms of comfort as well. It's not completely free for me... But I see it as an acceptable compromise. If anything, I can easily resell as I will have both versions of pads available.

 

Btw, their response was that I used 'different measuring method...

 

 

Well, I can get what they are saying (pink markings are their version of inner diameter, green is mine)... Still, it doesn't make sense at all to me why they are measuring the inner diameter like that. Whatever.

post #2469 of 2582
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

My old DT990's pads were so worn in that they were like 1/2 the thickness of what they originally were.  I like soft pads, but the downside is they just don't keep their form.  

which I found wasn't a bad thing, after my Beyer Pads got smushed on one side, everything sounded a lil nicer. mids and bas where warmer, treble toned down a smidge

 

and better iamging. I have the Stock Velours, and it's a touch to dry even for ME, mostly in the bass there's so LITTLE DECAY with stock Velours

 

the worn out beyers do warm things up a touch 

post #2470 of 2582
I was going to order some Shure pads, ended up getting a pair of 1540s instead smily_headphones1.gif. They come with an extra set of pads though so I can still test them with the he-4. \m/.
post #2471 of 2582

VARIOUS PADS TESTED ON THE HIFIMAN HE-4:

 

 

1) Hifiman pleather pads (stock form!)

 => warmer, more forgiving, fuller mids though soundstage dimensionality, sense of openness and timbre is lacking a bit

 

2) Hifiman velour pads (current version)

 => big and punchy bass, a lot of detail, very good soundstage and sense of space though mids are slightly lacking in fullness... interesting balance between bass and treble (very detailed while sounding full enough)

 

3) Hifiman velour pads (older version)

 => similar to the current velour pads but a lot more comfy (approaching Beyer pads!) and somewhat a bit more forgiving or even very slightly warmer-sounding (may be updated...)

 

4) Hifiman hybrid production pads

=> quality soundstage and imaging but otherwise... just plain average sound with nothing engaging or special to offer (may be updated...)

 

5) Hifiman hybrid pre-production pads

=> ? (will be updated...)

 

6) Beyer 990 pads

 => ultimate openness and sense of realism (rock/metal gig feeling!), hyperdetailed (and uber-unforgiving), very clean and resonance-free bass though mids are lacking in fullness, somewhat slightly Beyerish/unnatural timbre

 

7) AKG K712 Pro velour pads

=> AKGish soundstage (artificially wide) and timbre (a bit plasticky, lacking transparency)... otherwise quite balanced and enjoyable sound with nicely present bass


Edited by Ron12 - 7/11/14 at 2:55pm
post #2472 of 2582
If any long time he4 owners with great ears want to try the alcantara pads without shelling out 45 bucks, ill ship them to you. You just have to pay shipping back. Should be 5 bucks usps flat rate box fee. I just want someone with better ears than me to try these! Let me know
post #2473 of 2582
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

If any long time he4 owners with great ears want to try the alcantara pads without shelling out 45 bucks, ill ship them to you. You just have to pay shipping back. Should be 5 bucks usps flat rate box fee. I just want someone with better ears than me to try these! Let me know

That's pretty amazing of you! I'd take you up on the offer, but I haven't unpacked all my gear from the move yet... if you get a list of people, put me on the bottom and sign me tongue.gif

Joking aside, thanks! Hope we can get some more positive feedback. All this talk of pad rolling is making me want to try my srh1440/1840 pads out!
post #2474 of 2582
I just want someone, or a few people, that have better hearing, and a better sense of what micro changes occur when pad rolling. Thing is. I also have no felt or grills on my he4, so not sure of that is also making these pads show very little changes other than some slight rplloff of subbass and treble. And the comfort obviously
post #2475 of 2582
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

I listened to the production hybrid pads again today... And I must say that I even prefer Beyer pads over them for the HE-4! I am starting to like the Beyer pads more and more... I guess Mshenay will be pleased to hear that!

 

Hifiman pleather pads (stock form!) => warmer, more forgiving, fuller mids though soundstage dimensionality, sense of openness and timbre is lacking a bit

Hifiman velour pads (current version) => big and punchy bass, a lot of detail, very good soundstage and sense of space though mids are slightly lacking in fullness... interesting balance between bass and treble (very detailed while sounding full enough)

Hifiman velour pads (older version) => similar to the current velour pads but a lot more comfy (approaching Beyer pads!) and somewhat a bit more forgiving or even very slightly warmer-sounding (may be updated...)

Hifiman hybrid production pads => quality soundstage and imaging but otherwise... just plain average sound with nothing engaging or special to offer (may be updated...)

Hifiman hybrid pre-production pads => ? (will be updated...)

Beyer 990 pads => ultimate openness and sense of realism (rock/metal gig feeling!), hyperdetailed (and uber-unforgiving), very clean and resonance-free bass though mids are lacking in fullness, somewhat Beyerish/unnatural timbre

Did I mention to you Ron than the 990 pads do break in? After like 100 hours or so when the pad starts to form to the shape of your head xD it does get a little warmer mids, and a touch more sub bass, but ofc they will always be "beyer bright" 

 

and gawd are they un forgiving, I have an EDM HQ playlist on my pc. I forgot why I did, then I listened to my mp3s [none of them are transcodes...] and eww some of them you can hear the artifacts from the poor vinyl to digital transfer job [I used to use a shifty Russian site to buy my music... or rather buy my EDM] >.>


Edited by Mshenay - 7/10/14 at 11:53pm
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