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I have them ordered, but I really dig the alcantera pads, I cant see them being a better fit for me but I will post my opinion.

You  know my sound profile,  everything opposite of warm 

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so whos trying em on their HE 4 

 

I am! :-) Btw, I will have an AKG K712 Pro loaned for a month or so... K712 Pro and HE-4 are basically my two favourite open-back headphones for up to 500USD. I am therefore very interested in comparing them side by side properly... It's gonna be interesting!

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*puts glue on the thread*

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HE-4 will win because of tight bass smily_headphones1.gif
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While I agree fully, some people might like the decay and warmer sound of the :712
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I've got both headphones here and I am listening to both... Honestly, one thing is for sure from the beginning - Hifiman HE-4 is a level above the K712 Pro. K712 Pro is a perfected Q701 (in a very nice way) but HE-4 is just better - approaching HE-500/LCD-2 level of performance for me. HE-4 is for sure more resolving and also more correct in terms of timbre... I would say more even-sounding overall.

 

For now, I also confirmed for myself that the way I modded HE-4 tonally-wise is the correct one (for me)... While HE-4 with velours is a little too bright, K712 Pro in its stock state somewhat slightly lacks sparkle for a better sense of realism. HE-4 with pleathers and felt is right in between of them. K712 Pro, itself a very balanced headphone in terms of tonality, really helped me as a reference to find out the sweetspot.

 

There is quite a lot to like about both headphones... And there are also some shortcomings with both. Still, I am content to recommend both against the competition (DT880, HD600, HE-400 etc.)... Well, HE-4 especially kills the rest. More on the topic later once I play a little more with the K712 Pro... Have some possible modifications in mind.


Edited by Ron12 - 6/29/14 at 12:11pm
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I've got both headphones here and I am listening to both... Honestly, one thing is for sure from the beginning - Hifiman HE-4 is a level above the K712 Pro. K712 Pro is a perfected Q701 (in a very nice way) but HE-4 is just better - approaching HE-500/LCD-2 level of performance for me. HE-4 is for sure more resolving and also more correct in terms of timbre... I would say more even-sounding overall.

 

For now, I also confirmed for myself that the way I modded HE-4 tonally-wise is the correct one (for me)... While HE-4 with velours is a little too bright, K712 Pro in its stock state somewhat slightly lacks sparkle for a better sense of realism. HE-4 with pleathers and felt is right in between of them.

 

There is quite a lot to like about both headphones... And there are also some shortcomings with both. Still, I am content to recommend both against the competition (DT880, HD600, HE-400 etc.)... Well, HE-4 especially kills the rest. More on the topic later once I play a little more with the K712 Pro... Have some possible modifications in mind.

I found the HE 4 to be technically not on par with the LCD 2 Fazopr, but sonically it was more balanced and much better overall imo 

 

granted the LCD 2 is a touch faster, but it's lack of upper mids and now rolled off sub bass don't do it justice 

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I found the HE 4 to be technically not on par with the LCD 2 Fazopr, but sonically it was more balanced and much better overall imo 

 

granted the LCD 2 is a touch faster, but it's lack of upper mids and now rolled off sub bass don't do it justice 

 

Ha! I didn't hear LCD-2 w/ Fazor... Only owned rev2 without Fazor. Maybe the Fazor is doing the magic. But in general, I see it quite similarly - I can imagine someone will prefer HE-500 or LCD-2... But I can as well very well imagine the opposite situation - as it is in my case.

 

I personally find the HE-4 more balanced than LCD-2 and technically considerably above the HE-500 (while tonal balance itself is very nice with HE-500) :-)

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Ha! I didn't hear LCD-2 w/ Fazor... Only owned rev2 without Fazor. Maybe the Fazor is doing the magic. But in general, I see it quite similarly - I can imagine someone will prefer HE-500 or LCD-2... But I can as well very well imagine the opposite situation - as it is in my case.

 

I personally find the HE-4 more balanced than LCD-2 and technically considerably above the HE-500 (while tonal balance itself is very nice with HE-500) :-)

According to the Guys at Audeze the Fazor makes the headphone more balanced, and quicker. Which was noticeable in the mids, but the sub bass was meh, it lacked aggression and wasn't my cup of tea. But to my ears, technically it was faster a a smidge more resolving... just not my cup of tea either 

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Just a brief update...

 

1) AKG K712 Pro mod

 

I have modified the K712 Pro slightly. Once you remove earpads, you can see some ring-shaped foam placed there, most probably in order to prevent bass frequencies from leaking (I tried to remove the foam and the headphone started to sound significantly bass shy). As it is ring-shaped, it doesn't attempt to attenuate anything going from drivers to your ears. That said, I didn't like the foam... And I thought there could be some room for improvement. Therefore i experimented a bit and found that simple 2mm thick felt circle inserted in place effects the sound in this manner:

 

1) Bass is reaching slightly lower... Felt just works better than foam here. Not a night-and-day difference but appreciable nevertheless.

2) There is some muting of upper mids and highs (I used a felt CIRCLE, not a RING as with the foam in stock form, remember). It makes the phone slightly warmer (and maybe vocals more neutral, losing that slight shoutiness of the stock form)... But, what's more important, less plasticky-sounding! Yes, there is still some slight plastic-like timbre... But now definitely not near of a K701/Q701 sort.

 

2) Hifiman HE-4 w/ velour pads + perforated felt circles

 

I somewhat started to use velour pads more than the pleather pads at the moment... Somewhat, it makes me appreciate the HE-4's superiority more (next to K712 Pro). With pleather pads, the two headphones sound too alike - and yeah, I can now (comparing with K712 Pro) see why some folks hear something strange about the pleather pads. While they are definitely better suited in terms of tonality, there is something off with them timbrally... Not really sure what exactly it is (someone mentioned reflections - it's possible). Velour pads are better timbrally but worse tonally for me (felt the same way when comparing both on Hifiman HE-500)... Yeah, hard to decide :-)) I am hoping the new hybrid pads to finally deliver the full and unlimited experience!

 

3) K712 Pro modded vs HE-4 modded impressions so far

 

It's interesting... K712 Pro somewhat sounds (slightly or even more than slightly) on the warmer side of neutral (at least on my setup with Yulong DA8) while offering very significant technical abilities (imaging, soundstage, good sense of quickness). Yes, they are inferior to HE-4 especially due to more grainy and timbrally off sound reproduction BUT they manage to deliver absolutely fatigue-free experience WITH very nice technicalities. Very nice combination! I enjoy listening to them so far :-)

 

But HE-4 just rules...

 

Btw, both headphones are better suited for low to mid level listening... For people who loves to listen loud, better look for something like Stax or forgiving orthodynamic headphones (Audeze, Hifiman HE-500).

 

 

To be continued...


Edited by Ron12 - 7/3/14 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ET

 

also my father had his first Ear Gasm, playing him some Classical Spanish Guitar, on my HE 4 

Ok, so i'm about to order the Audio-gd NFB 15

 

 

Any thoughs on how this pairs with the HE-4? I think there are not much alternatives for high power amps, i could also get the iBasso PB2, what do you  guys think?


Edited by escobar090 - 7/4/14 at 12:37pm
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Ok, so i'm about to order the Audio-gd NFB 15


Any thoughs on how this pairs with the HE-4? I think there are not much alternatives for high power amps, i could also get the iBasso PB2, what do you  guys think?
WM8741 is a great chip! Musical, energetic with lots of treble (not bright if properly implemented) and I wouldn't trust anyone more than Kingwa to make it right.
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That's all i need to hear! thank you!.

 

 

I'll be ordering it today then. I'll post my impression in a couple of weeks, hopefully less.

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The best combo I've heard with the he4 to my ears. You're going to love it
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That's all i need to hear! thank you!.


I'll be ordering it today then. I'll post my impression in a couple of weeks, hopefully less.
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The best combo I've heard with the he4 to my ears. You're going to love it

Even compared to greater value dac and/or amps?


Edited by escobar090 - 7/4/14 at 6:33pm
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