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http://www.head-fi.org/t/572327/mission-replace-the-hifiman-ear-pads-with-other-brand-ear-pads/450#post_10620817

The Brainwavz HM5 are fantastic with HE-4 imo. The endgame for me in terms of sound and comfort as far as HE-4 are concerned. I wanted something good but cheap and this is it.
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There are also j $ pads for sale in the accessories classified
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There are also j $ pads for sale in the accessories classified
Those are too expensive. How much do they go used?
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Not even sure on shipping cost because its overseas but the seller wants €60
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who was getting the shure alcantra pads? And wheres the review! I love my shure 840, and would love to grab a 1540, and test those pads on the he4, they just look like they might breathe a little to much, im guessing youll lose some sub bass and impact with them, but maybe gain some air, and looks like comfort will be a big plus. I really miss my MDs, just for those alpha pads. Wish we could find something similar that worked for the he4

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who was getting the shure alcantra pads? And wheres the review! I love my shure 840, and would love to grab a 1540, and test those pads on the he4, they just look like they might breathe a little to much, im guessing youll lose some sub bass and impact with them, but maybe gain some air, and looks like comfort will be a big plus. I really miss my MDs, just for those alpha pads. Wish we could find something similar that worked for the he4


You can get the pads for $40 at Amazon Prime. If you don't like em you could always return em. Shoot, just gave myself an idea lol

http://www.amazon.com/Shure-HPAEC1540-Replacement-Alcantara-Headphones/dp/B00HXAV0UY/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402370577&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=alcantra+pads

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ya you do it first im not to wealthy at the moment...

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who was getting the shure alcantra pads? 


I did. They fit with stretching and sound balanced and more mid-centric  then anything else I have tried. The comfort is awesome. They actually do not leak very much sound out of them. I want to give them more time before I give them the thumbs up, but so far I think I like them. I am coming from J-money pads, much different presentation.

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^they work well on the he500.
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The Shure 1540 Alcantaras are among the most comfortable pads out there, for sure. They do build up heat a bit like leather though. I still prefer straight velour.
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When are those new HF pads coming out?!
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Seeing as the original velour topped jergs didn't work on the he4, I'm starting to lose hope in the hfm ones.
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They've got similarities but they're not the same.
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I did. They fit with stretching and sound balanced and more mid-centric  then anything else I have tried. The comfort is awesome. They actually do not leak very much sound out of them. I want to give them more time before I give them the thumbs up, but so far I think I like them. I am coming from J-money pads, much different presentation.


Update on the Alcantaras pads:

 

Yep, they are exceptional with the HE-4. They give nothing (besides comfort) and take nothing away from the J-money pads I was using before their arrival. They are well made, have the seal of a leather pad, and have a bit of diffusion of the peaks.

 

As MLE said, they get about as hot as leather pads though, they do not breath like velour.

 

*just a side note, wow are they good with the Q701!

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HIFIMAN HE-4 MODIFICATION AND PAD-ROLLING GUIDE

 

 

 

 

 

 

MODIFICATIONS OF THE HE-4:

 

UNIVERSALLY RECOMMENDED:

 

 I)   star felt mod: makes treble somewhat smoother, vocals more balanced and significantly improves on a sense of openness, imaging and separation

 II)  grill/DIY dust cover: makes HE-4 sound effortlessly open + improves slightly on imaging and soundstage width

 III) pad felt mod: slightly corrects tonality and improves on sibilance, mitigates harshness w/out decreasing imaging

 

MORE SPECIFIC:

 

 IV) changing pads (from current velour to Hifiman pleather or optionally older velour): more fullness in mids and less emphasis in lower treble => more neutral

 V)  hifiman pleather pads angle mod: see modded Hifiman pleather pads description below ( 2) ) 

 

 

 

PAD-ROLLING ON THE HE-4:

 

 

RELATIVE DESCRIPTION OF EACH PARTICULAR COMBINATION (HE4 + PADS):

 

 

1) Hifiman pleather pads

 => Warmer, more forgiving, fuller mids though soundstage dimensionality is weaker and sense of openness is significantly lacking. Lacking the ultraresolving ability of Hifiman and especially Beyer velour (because of their smoother nature). Slightly unnatural timbre (cavernous?). Comfort is good but not perfect as they are too squashy and pad material is pleather.

 

2) Hifiman pleather pads (mod III) and V), see above)

 => The same as with stock state but openness is significantly improved, soundstage width improved almost to the level of Hifiman velours, scene is a bit pushed in front of listener and imaging slightly more accurate. Timbre is also slightly corrected, though not perfectly. Comfort is different - for me better (squashy in the frontal area of the pad, tougher in the rear area of the pad), for someone could be worse than in the stock state.

 

3) Hifiman velour pads (current version)

 => Big and punchy bass (subbass emphasis), a lot of detail, very good soundstage and sense of space though mids are slightly lacking in fullness and smoothness (female vocals especially harmed by this)... interesting balance between bass and treble (very detailed and energetic while sounding full enough), not very forgiving (I would even call them somewhat harsher or raw-sounding). Comfort is good but definitely not great - pads' inner diameter is not as ideal as with Hifiman pleathers (or even older version of Hifiman velours) and they are somewhat tough so you can feel significant clamping force all the time with them.

 

4) Hifiman velour pads (current version w/ mod III) )

 => Similar to the stock current velour pads but slightly less airy and more forgiving... Though I don't think it's actually better than the stock state here. If you really like the way the newer velour pads influence sound, you are probably gonna stick with it as this modded version makes the overall sound rather average, uninteresting while not making the headphone forgiving and neutral enough (if you want to achieve this, you need older velour pads).

 

5) Hifiman velour pads (older version)

 => Similar to the current velour pads but a lot more comfy (approaching Beyer pads!, only slightly worse than K712 Pro pads) and considerably more forgiving + slightly warmer-sounding, mids (and female vocals especially) very little better but still not completely perfect though. Bass slightly less hard-hitting (more neutral I would say).

 

6) Hifiman velour pads (older version w/ mod III) )

 => Similar to the stock older velour pads but slightly more neutral (less airy and trebly), with improved vocals (smoothness, sibilance) but a bit worse sense of openness and decreased soundstage width (see mod V) details for more in-depth description). Bass in presence subjectively mostly on par w/ current velour pads.

 

7) Hifiman hybrid production pads (FocusPad)

=> Very good soundstage width (average depth) and imaging but otherwise not a good match - overall somewhat grainier sound with significant lack of openness or airiness. Some lack of linearity in upper mids (most probably the 4k emphasis of the pads). Timbre is not bad but not great. Overall unengaging and somewhat unrefined sound. Though well-damped, no reflections. Not a good level of comfort more or less only due to very small inner diameter and little too shallow nature (unless you have tiny ears or have no problem with your ears touching the pads all the time, they won't satisfy you because of this). Overheating most probably due to lack of any air ventilation.

 

8) Hifiman hybrid pre-production pads (FocusPad-A)

=> Very very similar to the FocusPad but with more linear frequency response which makes them at least usable with the HE-4. They sound somewhat similar to old Hifiman velour but worse. Comfort is even worse than w/ FocusPad (even more shallow). Don't expect big differences to FocusPad though.

 

9) Beyer 990 velour pads

 => Ultimate openness and sense of realism (rock/metal gig feeling!), hyperdetailed (definitely unforgiving but not unbearably), very clean and resonance-free bass, mids are dry and very detailed but somewhat more coherent with the overall sound signature (especially in comparison to Hifiman current velour pads), somewhat Beyerish/not-completely-natural timbre (mid treble emphasis). Comfort is really good but they are little too squashy and therefore my head is touching the headband near temporal bones (that's why I find older version of hifiman velour pads slightly better in comfort).

 

10) AKG K712 Pro velour pads

=> AKGish soundstage (nicely but also artificially wide, improved depth, lacking overall coherence) and timbre (a bit plasticky, significantly lacking transparency - somewhat muffled/clouded)... Otherwise quite balanced and enjoyable sound with nicely present bass (slightly less tight and quick) and decently forgiving treble. Comfort is brilliant, nothing to complain about.

 

Note: Ocean blue/green-coloured types of pads are my favourite - just to let you know if you absolutely need my instant advice on what to try on your HE-4. :-)

 

 

 

 

GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS (HE-4 + PADS):

 

 

Personal comfort rating:

 

AKG K712 Pro pads > Hifiman velour pads (older version) > Beyer 990 velour pads > Hifiman pleather pads (both stock and modded) > Hifiman velour pads (current version) > Hifiman FocusPad > Hifiman FocusPad-A

 

Note: I have a strong preference for pads with larger inner diameter and depth. I also prefer !soft! velour material over pleather in general. My ears and head are average to above average in size. FocusPad and FocusPad-A are only on the last position due to their extremely small inner diameter and rather small depth (completely unsufficient depth in case of FocusPad-A) - if you have tiny ears (or don't care about your ears touching the pads all the time), you can easily rank them among the very best.

 

 

Most suitable pads for big bass lovers:

 

Hifiman velour pads (current version, older version especially w/ mod III) ), AKG K712 Pro pads

 

Note: Hifiman velour pads offer emphasis on subbass which means hardhitting and tight bass while K712 Pro's bass is slightly more spread and loose, with slight warm-tilt in it.

 

 

Most suitable pads for mids/vocal lovers:

 

Hifiman pleather pads (both stock and modded), Hifiman velour pads (older version w/ mod III) ), Beyer 990 pads

 

Note: Pleather pads offer quite neutral and even slightly warm/smooth presentation. Hifiman velour pads w/ the mod are a little drier but still balanced and smooth enough to recommend. Beyer 990 pads, on the other hand, render mids and vocals in a very dry and analytical way which is surprisingly interesting and enjoyable as you can hear all the subtle details (especially in vocals) and feel like being 'there'. Though be warned that the mids w/ Beyer pads are definitely very far from full-sounding - just dry and articulate.

 

 

Most suitable pads for treble, air and hyperdetail lovers:

 

Beyer 990 pads, Hifiman velour pads (especially current version, maybe older as well)

 

Note: Beyer 990 pads are just uber-detailed, w/ extreme sense of openness ('live gig feeling', or maybe even 'Grado-like' feeling? not sure) while Hifiman velour pads (current version) are slightly less hyperdetailed and ultra-open-sounding but their soundstage is more distant and bigger in dimensions (Beyer 990 pads offer more in-your-face presentation though their soundstage is also not bad). Accuracy of imaging more or less on par. Both pads provide a rather raw and unforgiving sound (therefore if you rather want a compromise, try out the older Hifiman velours w/o mod).

 

 

Most suitable pads for huge soundstage lovers:

 

AKG K712 Pro pads

 

Note: Soundstage with these pads is simply huge in both width (very wide) and depth (less so but still)... Though don't expect similar sense of openness that Beyer 990 pads or Hifiman velour pads (current version) provide. Soundstage dimensionality and sense of openness are not the same thing and it's perfectly demonstrated here.

 

 

Best all-round performers, w/ genre versatile, balanced and reasonably non-fatiguing sound:

 

Hifiman pleather pads (with mod V) and optionally III) as well), Hifiman velour pads (older version with mod III) )

 

Note: Hifiman pleather pads in their stock form are already balanced enough in sound but their sense of openness and soundstage dimensionality is congested until you mod them ( => mod V) required, mod III optional for improved neutrality). Hifiman velour pads (older version w/ mod III) ) are like a fusion of pleather and current Hifiman velour pads - more airy, detailed and bigger bass in comparison to pleathers but more forgiving and balanced sounding than current velours. I would call the pleather pads the most neutral but older velour pads are not far while providing more natural timbre.

 

 

Note: All the differences described regarding pad-rolling are rather relative... Don't expect the HE-4 to become a bass monster or provide Audeze-like mids with any of the pads - the changes of sound are very real but it is still the HE-4 that emanates sound waves - still the same drivers.

 

 

 

 

BONUS - ADDITIONAL PAD-ROLLING IMPRESSIONS FROM OTHER USERS:

 

 

Mrspeakers Alpha Pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1020#post_10064919

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1740#post_10387267

 

Denon Dx000 Series Pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1575#post_10323332

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1515#post_10285020

 

Fostex THx00 Series Pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1920#post_10502206

 

Brainwavz HM5 Pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2340#post_10653568

 

Shure Alcantara Pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2430#post_10693601

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2430#post_10693627

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2445#post_10696544

 

Jergpads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/1575#post_10323864

 

T50RP pads:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2505#post_10710986

 

NVX XPT100 Angled ComfortMax Pads

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2550#post_10731883

 

Hifiman pads - old velour vs current velour vs pleather

http://www.head-fi.org/t/522157/hifiman-he-4-impressions-thread/2655#post_10804942


Edited by Ron12 - 8/20/14 at 3:37am
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