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post #2191 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

Ok. All I was saying is the 10es2 sounds nothing like the Lyr.  No one told you to buy anything new. Sorry to disrupt the thread.

your not disrupting the thread were talking about an amp that is going to be matched with a headphone, and ideally, let's assume I got the lyr, I'd like to sound like my NFB10ES2 color wise, if the Lyr with the right tubes can have the same some what bright signiture as my 10ES2 does, but with better sound stage and dynamics well it's something I might need to look into, as my w1000x could still use a tube, I was just simply stating my own thoughts out loud, I'm curious to how a proper tube amp still sounds, 

 

and I would think the synergery of my NFB10ES2 and my HE 4 with Beyer pads, will be simmilar to the synergy of Ron12's Modded HE 4 and the Lyr, granted he may have the more overall balanced set up, but as much as I enjoy mine I think he'll enjoy his just as much if not more. 

 

forgive me if I sound aggressive, I did another ABX today, posted on another "Mp3 sounds the same as Lossless" thread, which left me agitated [and sorry for that derailment]

 

on the plus side, I'm enjoying my warm comfy beyer pads on a some what cool day! 


Edited by Mshenay - 5/31/14 at 12:35pm
post #2192 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 


I think the Project Ember should get an honorable mention here as well.


My friend built one and it sounds great. The only downfall is he buys new tubes every week.

post #2193 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

 I'd like to sound like my NFB10ES2 color wise, if the Lyr with the right tubes can have the same some what bright signiture as my 10ES2 does, but with better sound stage and dynamics well it's something I might need to look into, as my w1000x could still use a tube, I was just simply stating my own thoughts out loud, I'm curious to how a proper tube amp still sounds, 

 

Like I said, I have owned/own quite a few tube amps (some good, some meh) and I am still always amazed at how much tube rolling  positively /negatively influences the sound of  the Lyr being a tube-hybrid amp. The Lyr2 would be a good mate for the W1000x based on the gain switch. My Fosgate amp pairs incredible with it.

post #2194 of 3917

 

 

 

So I used felt in order to make the Hifiman pleather pads slightly angled (not possible to do it much better unfortunately).

 

The primary effect is that the felt makes the pads more tough => they holds their shape on your head similarly as Hifiman velours do (read better than stock pleathers and Beyer velours which kind of squeeze/collapse into your cheeks) => you get similarly effortless feel of openness as with Hifiman velours.

 

Depth of soundstage is still not improved... It's still rather in your head than in front of you like with HD800s, unfortunately. On the other hand, soundstage width is slightly improved to the level of Hifiman velours. Imaging is maybe also very slightly better.

 

In short, it's a hybrid between the sound signature of stock pleathers AND sense of space and soundstage of Hifiman velours. Recommended.

 

Spoiler: I am gonna test different dampening materials again to see if anything synergizes well... So far, I liked the foam from Beyer but I removed it and quite like it as is.


Edited by Ron12 - 5/31/14 at 1:09pm
post #2195 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

 

 

So I used felt in order to make the Hifiman pleather pads slightly angled (not possible to do it much better unfortunately).

 

The primary effect is that the felt makes the pads more tough => they holds their shape on your head similarly as Hifiman velours do (read better than stock pleathers and Beyer velours which kind of squeeze/collapse into your cheeks) => you get similarly effortless feel of openness as with Hifiman velours.

 

Depth of soundstage is still not improved... It's still rather in your head than in front of you like with HD800s, unfortunately. On the other hand, soundstage width is slightly improved to the level of Hifiman velours. Imaging is maybe also very slightly better.

 

In short, it's a hybrid between the sound signature of stock pleathers AND sense of space and soundstage of Hifiman velours. Recommended.

 

Spoiler: I am gonna test different dampening materials again to see if anything synergizes well... So far, I liked the foam from Beyer but I removed it and quite like it as is.

actually make your self some Jerg Pads, there is a thread for it 

post #2196 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

actually make your self some Jerg Pads, there is a thread for it 

 

I thought those were designed for HE-500 (and possibly HE-400)? HE-4 are significantly different (in terms of frequency response), you know...

post #2197 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

I thought those were designed for HE-500 (and possibly HE-400)? HE-4 are significantly different (in terms of frequency response), you know...

Indeed they are, but what they do is bring the dips in mids of the HE 400 and HE 500 up to cleaner levels, the guyz on those threads might be able to help you, in addition Hifiman Jerg got an EF6 from hifiman as a thank you gift, as Hifiman used his mods as a base to build their newest set of pads, angled pads that are a hybrid of Velours and pleathers, pads that Hifiman have put onto their HE 560, which isn't voiced the same HE 4 but is simmilar, people claim it's response is very Balanced, so I think the jerg pads would be a goot starting point for you, espically on getting the pads angled  

post #2198 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Indeed they are, but what they do is bring the dips in mids of the HE 400 and HE 500 up to cleaner levels, the guyz on those threads might be able to help you, in addition Hifiman Jerg got an EF6 from hifiman as a thank you gift, as Hifiman used his mods as a base to build their newest set of pads, angled pads that are a hybrid of Velours and pleathers, pads that Hifiman have put onto their HE 560, which isn't voiced the same HE 4 but is simmilar, people claim it's response is very Balanced, so I think the jerg pads would be a goot starting point for you, espically on getting the pads angled  

 

Thanks for the suggestion...

 

Honestly, looking at the graphs of HE-500 and HE-400 with and without jerg pads, it wouldn't do justice to the HE-4... See the 1khz (dip in comparison to pleathers) area as well as 6khz (peak in comparison to pleathers and velours) - not a good way to influence frequency response in case of the HE-4.

 

As for the backvent mod which should give the jerg pads a slight angle (as I understand it, feel free to correcvt me), it influences bass response as there is some artificial leaking... There is no such an influence with my way of making the pads angled - and if, then very slight (not noticable in practice). Also, the angle w/ my way seems to be at least on par in comparison to jerg's.

 

I will most probably wait for the new Hifiman pads... These should be angled. But whether they will fit tonally-wise, no idea. Until then, I am completely satisfied with what my modification provides :-)


Edited by Ron12 - 5/31/14 at 2:28pm
post #2199 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

Thanks for the suggestion...

 

Honestly, looking at the graphs of HE-500 and HE-400 with and without jerg pads, it wouldn't do justice to the HE-4... See the 1khz (dip in comparison to pleathers) area as well as 6khz (peak in comparison to pleathers and velours) - not a good way to influence frequency response in case of the HE-4.

 

As for the backvent mod which should give the jerg pads a slight angle (as I understand it, feel free to correcvt me), it influences bass response as there is some artificial leaking... There is no such an influence with my way of making the pads angled - and if, then very slight (not noticable in practice). Also, the angle w/ my way seems to be at least on par in comparison to jerg's.

 

I will most probably wait for the new Hifiman pads... These should be angled. But whether they will fit tonally-wise, no idea. Until then, I am completely satisfied with what my modification provides :-)

well then very nice :D do enjoy! I modded the Tar out of my D2k and I was rather happy with it after ward! 

post #2200 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Indeed they are, but what they do is bring the dips in mids of the HE 400 and HE 500 up to cleaner levels, the guyz on those threads might be able to help you, in addition Hifiman Jerg got an EF6 from hifiman as a thank you gift, as Hifiman used his mods as a base to build their newest set of pads, angled pads that are a hybrid of Velours and pleathers, pads that Hifiman have put onto their HE 560, which isn't voiced the same HE 4 but is simmilar, people claim it's response is very Balanced, so I think the jerg pads would be a goot starting point for you, espically on getting the pads angled  


Thujone didn't like his Jergpad on the HE4.

On the other hand, there's a gent selling his TH600 pads in the classifieds last I checked (maybe 2 weeks ago?). Check the accessories and cables section. I found them to be much better than the HF pleathers with imaging and bass impact. Also D2000 pads fit as well but the opening isn't as big as the TH600 (which are even bigger than the Hifiman by a margin). Any pleather pads does decrease treble detail along with grain however, which could be a good or bad thing depending on your taste.

The TH600 made the HE4 warm headphones, quite different from stock. I think the TH600 pads along with the star felt still in place might be a nice combination of treble and warmth... could make the V shape more apparent as well.

post #2201 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 


My friend built one and it sounds great. The only downfall is he buys new tubes every week.

They're very nice for tube-rolling with the auto bias. And the fact that you only need 1 tube. If he doesn't have the supercharger already, it's a nice upgrade to be able to run the BH7 tubes. Sylvania reds are the best sounding out of stock, ax7 mullard, and ax7 telefunkens. The RCA BH7 are very similar to the Sylvanias as far as soundstage, bass and treble but the mids are a little forward. The BH7 are hotter tubes so you'll need the SC upgrade to run them, well worth the price.

post #2202 of 3917

I have some Shure Alcantara pads coming on Monday to try on the ZMF's, I will definitely try them on the HE4-500-400 and report back.  They should fit.

post #2203 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 


Thujone didn't like his Jergpad on the HE4.

On the other hand, there's a gent selling his TH600 pads in the classifieds last I checked (maybe 2 weeks ago?). Check the accessories and cables section. I found them to be much better than the HF pleathers with imaging and bass impact. Also D2000 pads fit as well but the opening isn't as big as the TH600 (which are even bigger than the Hifiman by a margin). Any pleather pads does decrease treble detail along with grain however, which could be a good or bad thing depending on your taste.

The TH600 made the HE4 warm headphones, quite different from stock. I think the TH600 pads along with the star felt still in place might be a nice combination of treble and warmth... could make the V shape more apparent as well.

hmm maybe then Lawton Pads will work 

post #2204 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I have some Shure Alcantara pads coming on Monday to try on the ZMF's, I will definitely try them on the HE4-500-400 and report back.  They should fit.
That should be interesting. How much do they cost?
post #2205 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

I have some Shure Alcantara pads coming on Monday to try on the ZMF's, I will definitely try them on the HE4-500-400 and report back.  They should fit.


Interested in this as well! Those pads are suppose to be comfy although not sure how they would fit since they're oblong and not round.. If they work I hope they don't take too much bass away.

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