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post #2116 of 3930
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Originally Posted by .Sup View Post

I agree. I more often use HE-4 instead of HD800 because of the bass quantity which is just perfect for me. The dark sound also appeals me, very smooth too. I prefer leather pads which make them less bright than the velour and SS amp makes them sound very energetic. They are certainly not hard too drive.

I have never tried (nor own) the pleather Hifiman pads, but I think you're the first one to comment on them paired with the HE-4. I am hoping the new Hifiman pads (when available) will not change the signature too much, but add some much need comfort for us with glasses.

As for my SS experience... My GCHA pushes the smack outta my HE-4, to head rattling levels. For a more laid back, musical approach, I like my EF-5 pairing. Somewhere in between would be my vintage NAD. If nothing else, I am super happy with the flexibility. I cannot say the same for many of my other headphones.
Edited by mrscotchguy - 5/28/14 at 7:06am
post #2117 of 3930
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


I have never tried (nor own) the pleather Hifiman pads, but I think you're the first one to comment on them paired with the HE-4. I am hoping the new Hifiman pads (when available) will not change the signature too much, but add some much need comfort for us with glasses.

As for my SS experience... My GCHA pushes the smack outta my HE-4, to head rattling levels. For a more laid back, musical approach, I like my EF-5 pairing. Somewhere in between would be my vintage NAD. If nothing else, I am super happy with the flexibility. I cannot say the same for many of my other headphones.

 

My friend uses them as well and he also finds pleathers to be slightly warmer soundwise in comparison to velours... I will give them a try in a day or two as well (along with the DT990 pads).

post #2118 of 3930
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Originally Posted by .Sup View Post


I agree. I more often use HE-4 instead of HD800 because of the bass quantity which is just perfect for me. The dark sound also appeals me, very smooth too. I prefer leather pads which make them less bright than the velour and SS amp makes them sound very energetic. They are certainly not hard too drive.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ron12 View Post
 

 

I would say that HE-4 is like a HD800 with deeper and more impactful bass and therefore feels subjectively slighly darker... The great thing is that the bass is absolutely tight (hello HE-500) and not overly hardhitting (hello HE-400). At the same time, I can understand while people call them slightly U-shaped... It's not like mids are not there but if you listen to music, subbass and that airy and detailed treble is what catches your attention. Mids are there, completely present and full-scale... But they are not lush like with LCD-2. But they are also not recessed like with D7000. Something in between - I would say subjectively dead-neutral, accurate.

 

Yes, tube amplifiers could work well... But I am personally not a fan of tubey sound. Therefore slightly warmer SS amp/DAC (like headamp and balanced pre outputs + slow DAC filtre of the DA8) work nicely as well. My observation is that their treble is absolutely great with darker AND neutral-sounding tracks... But with significantly distorted/compressed or overly bright-mastered ones, you will most probably notice the emphasis.

 

I like the airiness of the HE-4... Not as airy and spacious as HD800 but in comparison to every other ortho I have heard, they just offer a great soundstage! I haven't heard the HE-6 or Abyss though. And not planning to because after several years of high-end headphones listening, I found this special headphones... And I am completely happy and not feeling like missing anything. Seriously.

 

HD800 are still the best for me... But they get crushed in terms of price/performance ratio by the HE-4. So do many other headphones... if not all of them. And btw, comfort is very nice - that reduced weight makes them very comfortable for long-term listening... Including headband.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


I have never tried (nor own) the pleather Hifiman pads, but I think you're the first one to comment on them paired with the HE-4. I am hoping the new Hifiman pads (when available) will not change the signature too much, but add some much need comfort for us with glasses.

As for my SS experience... My GCHA pushes the smack outta my HE-4, to head rattling levels. For a more laid back, musical approach, I like my EF-5 pairing. Somewhere in between would be my vintage NAD. If nothing else, I am super happy with the flexibility. I cannot say the same for many of my other headphones.

+ 1 +2 and +3

 

I like the HE 4 for it's bass, and I like the overally tactile nature of the sound, [espically out of my NFB 10ES2 balanced out] but I use Beyer Velours and a Solid State amp

 

still it's a great headphone and I too dont like how people call it U shaped

post #2119 of 3930

The velours are completely necessary, imo.

post #2120 of 3930
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post

I have never tried (nor own) the pleather Hifiman pads, but I think you're the first one to comment on them paired with the HE-4. I am hoping the new Hifiman pads (when available) will not change the signature too much, but add some much need comfort for us with glasses.

As for my SS experience... My GCHA pushes the smack outta my HE-4, to head rattling levels. For a more laid back, musical approach, I like my EF-5 pairing. Somewhere in between would be my vintage NAD. If nothing else, I am super happy with the flexibility. I cannot say the same for many of my other headphones.
I love how HE-4 sounds out of my Samson Meteor mic just slightly too bright at times. Sometimes I ask myself why am I spending so much on amps, dacs...The pleather pads are much softer and so they are much more comfortable.
post #2121 of 3930
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

 

 

 

+ 1 +2 and +3

 

I like the HE 4 for it's bass, and I like the overally tactile nature of the sound, [espically out of my NFB 10ES2 balanced out] but I use Beyer Velours and a Solid State amp

 

still it's a great headphone and I too dont like how people call it U shaped

It only seems U shaped because there is a very small dip in the upper mids, still it is nowhere near as U shaped as something like the HE-400.

post #2122 of 3930

Also I am moving soon and I won't have room for my speaker setup anymore. I am so tempted to get a WA-6 now that I don't need an amp with a pre-amp capability anymore.

post #2123 of 3930
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Originally Posted by Rinx7 View Post
 

It only seems U shaped because there is a very small dip in the upper mids, still it is nowhere near as U shaped as something like the HE-400.

Dip in the upper mids? Really... hmm I suppose so... although I'm using a solid state so I doub't it's too noticeable. 

 

But the HE 4 is sonically an improved DT 880, which the DT 880 has been been described as u shaped...

 

either way it sounds a good! 

post #2124 of 3930

Mine just came in the mail... 2 days early, thankfully.

First track was Alice in Chains' "Nutshell" from the MTV unplugged performance... Simply wonderful. Guitars sound so natural...

 

Impression thus far: Somewhat like my Grados, except lower instruments are represented much better, and "S" and "P" sounds aren't anywhere near as pronounced.

 

I'll be editing this post as my experience continues.

 

 

EDIT1: Just put on Weissenberg's performance of Debussy's "Golliwogg's Cakewalk". As a Pianist, the piano sounds spot on.

Next was Ron Nelson's "Rocky Point Holiday." Beautiful sound from the low instruments that was virtually nonexistent with the Grados.

 

EDIT2: Put on Nine Inch Nails' "Last." Very nice aggressive presentation without being overly aggressive.

 

EDIT3: "Mr. Self Destruct" by NIN. Literally nothing wrong with this track. The aggression is still there, but not overly so.

 

EDIT4: Venturing into the more electronic side now. Massive Attack's "Angel" is wonderful, bass being exceptionally controlled. "Bitch, Don't Kill my Vibe" by Kendrick Lamar is also impressive, with nothing sticking out and nothing left longing for.

 

EDIT5: Put on "Fight Fire with Fire" - Metallica. Holy hell, that thrash tho.

 

EDIT6: I put the Grados back on and restarted the list with "Nutshell." These don't have anywhere near the realistic factor that the HE-4 has. The sibilance and such doesn't allow me to turn the volume up enough to really enjoy many of the elements of the track without the pain of the high notes.


Edited by 3l3tric - 5/28/14 at 2:00pm
post #2125 of 3930

The HE-4 has surprisingly un-sibilant treble for it being as forward as it is. I have only noticed significant sibilance on one particular recording with my HE-4s and that is Submotion Orchestra's album Finest Hour. I actually think part of it is intentional though it is a bit sibilant even on my monitors.

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Originally Posted by 3l3tric View Post
 

Mine just came in the mail... 2 days early, thankfully.

First track was Alice in Chains' "Nutshell" from the MTV unplugged performance... Simply wonderful. Guitars sound so natural...

 

Impression thus far: Somewhat like my Grados, except lower instruments are represented much better, and "S" and "P" sounds aren't anywhere near as pronounced.

 

I'll be editing this post as my experience continues.

 

 

EDIT1: Just put on Weissenberg's performance of Debussy's "Golliwogg's Cakewalk". As a Pianist, the piano sounds spot on.

Next was Ron Nelson's "Rocky Point Holiday." Beautiful sound from the low instruments that was virtually nonexistent with the Grados.

 

EDIT2: Put on Nine Inch Nails' "Last." Very nice aggressive presentation without being overly aggressive.

 

EDIT3: "Mr. Self Destruct" by NIN. Literally nothing wrong with this track. The aggression is still there, but not overly so.

 

EDIT4: Venturing into the more electronic side now. Massive Attack's "Angel" is wonderful, bass being exceptionally controlled. "Bitch, Don't Kill my Vibe" by Kendrick Lamar is also impressive, with nothing sticking out and nothing left longing for.

 

EDIT5: Put on "Fight Fire with Fire" - Metallica. Holy hell, that thrash tho.

 

EDIT6: I put the Grados back on and restarted the list with "Nutshell." These don't have anywhere near the realistic factor that the HE-4 has. The sibilance and such doesn't allow me to turn the volume up enough to really enjoy many of the elements of the track without the pain of the high notes.

post #2126 of 3930
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Originally Posted by Rinx7 View Post
 

The HE-4 has surprisingly un-sibilant treble for it being as forward as it is. I have only noticed significant sibilance on one particular recording with my HE-4s and that is Submotion Orchestra's album Finest Hour. I actually think part of it is intentional though it is a bit sibilant even on my monitors.

There are a couple of small sections on some tracks where the forwardness is a bit too much, but it's nothing like on my SR225is. 

I'm noticing that everything is a lot more separated and clear on the HE-4 than on the SR225i... Is this the Planar Magnetics talking?

post #2127 of 3930
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Originally Posted by 3l3tric View Post
 

There are a couple of small sections on some tracks where the forwardness is a bit too much, but it's nothing like on my SR225is. 

I'm noticing that everything is a lot more separated and clear on the HE-4 than on the SR225i... Is this the Planar Magnetics talking?

 

Not, the planar-magnetic thing is (IME):

 

1) Bass (depth, linearity, tightness)

2) Timbre (just different from electrostats or dynamic drivers)

3) Cleanness (mids - voices in particular)

 

Though HE-4 are quite different as they have a quality amount of air, separation and soundstage... So these are not your typical super-smooth orthodynamic headphones with lush mids and lack of treble extension. Bass and overall timbre is there... But they are not so super-clean-sounding and intimate like typical orthodynamic headphones are.


Edited by Ron12 - 5/28/14 at 3:10pm
post #2128 of 3930

They have that bass slam though.

post #2129 of 3930

You guys need to remove the felt behind the drivers and see how you like it. I think it's made a great change to the sound of the HE4.

post #2130 of 3930
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Originally Posted by Rinx7 View Post
 

They have that bass slam though.

Are you using Pleathers or the standard Velours?

The bass is really nice, but not really a slam like what you're describing.

 

EDIT: I think I just had my first "Headphones so good that they unmasked recording flaws" moment.

Right in the middle of "Ants of the Sky" by BTBAM, I head a rattling in the left earcup.

Immediately, I turned off the audio, then removed the left earpad to investigate.

Nothing caught my eye, so I put the pad back on, started the audio again, and heard the same thing in the same spot.

Then I had a really odd idea. I swapped the stereo channels, then backed the audio up to that spot again.

Lo and behold, the rattling switched to the right channel.


Edited by 3l3tric - 5/28/14 at 6:15pm
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