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post #2056 of 3937

Nothing could ever fix the he400, that hp is just subpar except its bass. That tizz, and vocals, vocals just are terribly lacking

post #2057 of 3937

STOCK

With latest Jergpad (no backvent)

 

Analysis

  • *As noted above, this measurement is done without the backvents being open, the reason as we found out through the measurement / discussion process, is that HE400 drivers are not well-damped by themselves, and are thus very sensitive to improper damping. That is the case here where having the backvents open aka having a broken seal between the pads and the cups/drivers, causes a hump at 50 Hz and roll-off below 35 Hz or so. Of course the open backvents are done to improve the soundstage openness, so in the end it is a trade-off with HE400s.
  • Like the HE500 measurements, with HE400 the modded pads bring in more cohesive midrange and treble behaviour, smoothing out most of the peaks and valleys - bringing in more coherency in the sound and better mids~treble transition (less treble disconnection). HE400's innate voicing is still retained, with the laid-back upper midrange and highly present treble, but much less extreme than the stock pleathers.
  • Harmonic distortion in the midrange is improved, that correlates somewhat to the FR changes.
  • Measured low bass behaviour with the modded pads are questionable; having the backvents open allows for a 50Hz hump sound great with most bassy music tracks I test, but having the backvents closed (full seal) allows for more accurate behaviour. I devised and improved upon the Jergpads on the basis of HE500 always, so this bass interaction with HE400 was largely overlooked by me. Honestly having the backvents open with HE400 is subjectively more satisfying for me despite the poorer measurement.
post #2058 of 3937

Yea... this is an HE 4 thread, get the HE 400 goop outa here lol, I tried $JMoney pads, and I still didn't like it 

post #2059 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Yea... this is an HE 4 thread, get the HE 400 goop outa here lol, I tried $JMoney pads, and I still didn't like it 

J$ pads aren't the same no matter how much fanboy you are of them and you're the one that brought the HE400 to the picture... so you get out. :rolleyes:

post #2060 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

J$ pads aren't the same no matter how much fanboy you are of them and you're the one that brought the HE400 to the picture... so you get out. :rolleyes:

never said I was a fan boy of the $Jmoney friends lol, and I mentioed I enjoyed it's low mids, I didn't start posting Freq graphs trying to convience ppl about them lol 

post #2061 of 3937

We're talking midrange dips though right?

Right?

post #2062 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

We're talking midrange dips though right?

Right?

 

 

straight over my head lol, but yes the upper mid range dip of the HE 400 was not my favorite 

 

YAY for the HE 4 

post #2063 of 3937
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


Well, Owning both the HD800 and the HE-4, I can always throw those three in a battle royal incase we need a less subjective view...

That said, I think the he-4 gives the hd800 a run for it's money at 1/3 to 1/5 the price. Had I got the HE-4 first, there's a good chance I would never have bought any headphone higher up the food chain... a bit if subjectivity there smily_headphones1.gif

 

I agree with you.HD800 & HE-4 shares some similarities.

 

The HE-4 is  the best subsitute I heard for the more expensive HD800. That been said , the HD800 is undoubtly a better headphone. Clearly more refined, with a better imaging, details and better soundstage. I owned both and I really liked the HE-4 but with a HD800 on my desk, the HE-4 didn't get too much headtime despite its thicker bass.  

 

IMO HD800 is even warmer that HE-4. The Hifiman is sharper with strong Upper highs while the Sennheiser has more high mids/low treble.

 

The HE-4 is definitely one of the most tremendous value in the market.


Edited by Sorrodje - 5/19/14 at 12:51am
post #2064 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

I agree with you.HD800 & HE-4 shares some similarities.

The HE-4 is  the best subsitute I heard for the more expensive HD800. That been said , the HD800 is undoubtly a better headphone. Clearly more refined, with a better imaging, details and better soundstage. I owned both and I really liked the HE-4 but with a HD800 on my desk, the HE-4 didn't get too much headtime despite its thicker bass.  

IMO HD800 is even warmer that HE-4. The Hifiman is sharper with strong Upper highs while the Sennheiser has more high mids/low treble.

The HE-4 is definitely one of the most tremendous value in the market.
COULD NOT AGREE MORE smily_headphones1.gif
post #2065 of 3937

If anything the jerg pad mod makes the HE-400 midrange dip bigger by dropping gradually at 1k instead of steeply at 2k. Smoother transition, but a wider 10dB dip. Still prefer the jergs though.

post #2066 of 3937

Hmm if the HE-4 is that similar to the HD-800 I assume it would sound really good with a good tube amp. I am so tempted to get the Darkvoice 336se just to test that theory. It should be powerful enough (1W @ 32ohms stated output) and since it is a planar damping factor doesn't really matter.

post #2067 of 3937
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Originally Posted by Rinx7 View Post

Hmm if the HE-4 is that similar to the HD-800 I assume it would sound really good with a good tube amp. I am so tempted to get the Darkvoice 336se just to test that theory. It should be powerful enough (1W @ 32ohms stated output) and since it is a planar damping factor doesn't really matter.

Both sound great with my EF5 biggrin.gif
post #2068 of 3937

I finally got around to actually reviewing the HE 4... read it if you'd like. Link is on my blog and on my head fi  feed... blog link in my sig

 

Honestly... reviewing the HE 4 for me was a little dull... I had nothing to compare it to lol, I used to review all of my headphones again'st my DT 880, so when I got around to reviewing the HE 4... I had no standard to review it again'st xD

 

but it's nice ot hear the HD 800 is a step above with a simmilar sound sig 

post #2069 of 3937
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


Both sound great with my EF5 biggrin.gif

 

I think I say this every time you do so forgive me, but the EF-5 is an awesome little amp that has such a unique signature.  

post #2070 of 3937

So I did some research on the Darkvoice 336SE. If their claimed output is true this thing could be a killer tube amp with the HE-4 since almost all the reviews say it really brings out the mids.  Darkvoice claims on their website that it has an output power of >2W . However, it seems like they cheaped out on most of the parts in the amp besides the transformer and the casing most of the parts are really cheap and to get good performance need to be replaced which requires complete disassembly and rewiring as well as better preferably NOS set of tubes. I am so tempted to grab one and try doing a rebuild on it.

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