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post #1681 of 3917
2 birds one stone really, you won't have that tube sound but SS is just enjoyable if not more (I seem to think so for classical). A nice Dac with balanced and SE out. It's ever so slightly warmer sound than a Sabre version but the 9 filters on the dual Wolfson also can make it smooth, clinical, or in between sounding. The most clinical setting (9) reproduces string instruments on the he4 magnificently.

You can probably find a used one for around $450, give or take.
Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 3/13/14 at 11:19pm
post #1682 of 3917

Hello HE-4 fans.

 

if somene want to buy a HE-4, I'm selling mine. I really love this headphone but I'm upgrading my HD800 rig and  need money. So my HE-4 must go. Feel free to shoot me a MP ;) . I haven't written  my classified ad yet. 

post #1683 of 3917
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Audio gd 10se, I think will be my next buy, I've kindof been wanting, ember plus modi or bifrost, but I think I've been talked out of that and into that all in one beast

 

Nice! I have always been interested in the AudioGD stuff, I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Plus, you can always get Ember later ;).

 

Also, the Alpha pads are quite good with the HE-4 compared to the HE-400 (really bad, hollow sound on the 400's). I'd say they are very similar to the Denon pads except probably better staging due to the bigger ear space and angle. Both pads seem to have a little less sub bass to my ears compared to velour. EQ can fix that though!

post #1684 of 3917

Got the HE-4's this morning, and have been listening since.  I like the bass and the mids, but the treble sounds real unnatural.  Instraments seem to have too much zing, or something.  Also notice some sibilance.  How long does it take before this goes away, or is it part of the HE-4 sound signature?

 

I'm coming from the Beyer DT880, DT990 and T1 600 ohm.  I have been listening from my tube amp speaker taps, 5 wpc, and from speaker taps on my Denon 2808 AVR.  Just don't sound natural/real in the upper frequencies! 

post #1685 of 3917
Well, congrats first off on the purchase. Second,what tube amp? Orthos. Don't burn in basically. They do require brain burn in though as their presentation is quite different than dynamics. Is this your first ortho?
post #1686 of 3917

Depending on tubes and that Denon receiver, the HE4 can get overly bright in the treble. I've tested it on the TubeMagic speaker taps (4wpc) with AEG tubes and that was borderline bright. I've yet to try it with the warmer Mullard tubes though..

Do you have a normal headphone amp you can try it with? Something with at least 1W or preferably more?

post #1687 of 3917
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Originally Posted by cute View Post

Got the HE-4's this morning, and have been listening since.  I like the bass and the mids, but the treble sounds real unnatural.  Instraments seem to have too much zing, or something.  Also notice some sibilance.  How long does it take before this goes away, or is it part of the HE-4 sound signature?

I'm coming from the Beyer DT880, DT990 and T1 600 ohm.  I have been listening from my tube amp speaker taps, 5 wpc, and from speaker taps on my Denon 2808 AVR.  Just don't sound natural/real in the upper frequencies! 

I'm going to have to disagree with Hemi on this one to a degree in this case. I do think there's is a certain truth to the brain burn-in, but my HE-4 completely changed after being run for a period of time.

I had just purchased my HD-800s so I was listening to them as much and as often as I could when my HE-4 hit the scene. Upon first listen, the HE-4 just felt soooo unnatural, almost holographic or robotic. You can easily guess how thrown off I was.

This thread was on the cusp of coming back to life, so I didn't really know where to turn, and I decided not to ask if I was crazy. Torn on returning them outright, something about the sound was enjoyable. One night, I feel asleep with them on, by the morning, that would put them around a good 10-20 hours of play time. Long story short, the next time I put then on, they sounded like a different headphone all together.

The holographic sound shifted to what I guess people on this site refer to as "airy" and the robotic hall-echo disappeared. I'm not saying that the HE-4 sounds the same as my HD800, but the gap was closed after burn in.

Rambling aside, I guess I am trying to say, give it some time and you may have a different opinion.
post #1688 of 3917
Ideally for any HP, you'd want to see if anything changes by 50hrs and should have a good show for its character by 100hrs. Some HP will show burn-in effects more than others.
post #1689 of 3917
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Well, congrats first off on the purchase. Second,what tube amp? Orthos. Don't burn in basically. They do require brain burn in though as their presentation is quite different than dynamics. Is this your first ortho?

 

The tube amp that I have is full of Mullard NOS tubes.  One pair of EL84 power tubes, and one pair of 12AX7.  It's not the tube quality, because I have used these tubes for a few years, and I have a few sets for backup.  They are on the warm side of neutral sound wise.  I also have a tube dac, that sounds fantastic with my Beyers.  I did go through the DAC in my Denon 2808, and they sound much better there.  I have a used pair of HE-500's coming today.  I can assure you my setup is just fine.  I think the treble is much better on my DT880 600 ohm.  I have detachable cables, I can make the DT880 sound close to my T1 with a cable change.

 

I have already requested a refund on the HE-4, keeping the DT880 to fill that niche with the highs!

post #1690 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

Depending on tubes and that Denon receiver, the HE4 can get overly bright in the treble. I've tested it on the TubeMagic speaker taps (4wpc) with AEG tubes and that was borderline bright. I've yet to try it with the warmer Mullard tubes though..

Do you have a normal headphone amp you can try it with? Something with at least 1W or preferably more?

 

The thing is the treble is not overly bright.....guitars, cymbals, violins just don't sound natural in the highs.  Mids and bass sound great.  I use my Alpha Dog on the same setup, and they just kick butt on the HE-4.  In fact with the cable change on the Alpha Dog, they sound like headphones worth three times their price!

post #1691 of 3917
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Originally Posted by cute View Post

Got the HE-4's this morning, and have been listening since.  I like the bass and the mids, but the treble sounds real unnatural.  Instruments seem to have too much zing, or something.  Also notice some sibilance.  How long does it take before this goes away, or is it part of the HE-4 sound signature?

I'm coming from the Beyer DT880, DT990 and T1 600 ohm.  I have been listening from my tube amp speaker taps, 5 wpc, and from speaker taps on my Denon 2808 AVR.  Just don't sound natural/real in the upper frequencies! 

I'm going to have to disagree with Hemi on this one to a degree in this case. I do think there's is a certain truth to the brain burn-in, but my HE-4 completely changed after being run for a period of time.

I had just purchased my HD-800s so I was listening to them as much and as often as I could when my HE-4 hit the scene. Upon first listen, the HE-4 just felt soooo unnatural, almost holographic or robotic. You can easily guess how thrown off I was.

This thread was on the cusp of coming back to life, so I didn't really know where to turn, and I decided not to ask if I was crazy. Torn on returning them outright, something about the sound was enjoyable. One night, I feel asleep with them on, by the morning, that would put them around a good 10-20 hours of play time. Long story short, the next time I put then on, they sounded like a different headphone all together.

The holographic sound shifted to what I guess people on this site refer to as "airy" and the robotic hall-echo disappeared. I'm not saying that the HE-4 sounds the same as my HD800, but the gap was closed after burn in.

Rambling aside, I guess I am trying to say, give it some time and you may have a different opinion.

 

I really like "airy" open, big soundstage, separation, etc.  I also like natural sounding instruments, which I don't hear in the HE-4 right now.  "Upon first listen, the HE-4 just felt soooo unnatural, almost holographic or robotic".  My feelings exactly.  I will have to see how they sound after a few more days!  I am fighting the urge to buy the new HE-560!

post #1692 of 3917

I had the DT880 & the HE-4 together during las december & I much prefer the HE-4 . To my ears , the DT880 has a mix of slightly muddy sound + peaky treble that I really couldn't leave with . That been said, the HE-4's treble is far from perfection but IMO, IME far better than HE400's one.

 

The main characteristic of the HE-4 is the airy and crytal-clear signature at the cost of a little treble sharpness

Matter of preference as usual :beerchug: .


Edited by Sorrodje - 3/15/14 at 4:26am
post #1693 of 3917

Cables make a big difference with the DT880, and they really sound fantastic out of speaker taps.  I have had the opportunity to try several cables with them.  The T1 really changes them!

post #1694 of 3917

Just a little update here on the HE-4!  I did a little modd to the inside of the cups.  Dan aka Mrspeaker just came out with a modd for those that thought the treble was a little bright on their Alpha Dog.  He calls the modd "dog treats", and he made a video on how to use it.  It consists of some foam "dots" that he places on the driver inside, as well as some foam pieces aka Beyer DT880. DT990, that cover the driver, and can be placed inside of the ear pads, this also tames the treble peaks a bit.  I have the "dog treats" modd on order, but I looked into my box of earpads, and found the foam disks from an extra pair of DT880 pads.  I installed them on the HE-4 cups and........that "unnatural, holographic, robotic" sound is gone, treble is also smoother, and bass and mids don't seem to be affected.  The HE-4 has been transformed into a fantastic sounding pair.  Hifiman has probably lost a sale on the HE-560.  HE-500's will be here in a couple of hours, do I dare keep both the HE-4 and the HE-500?  Can anyone that have heard both please comment on that?

post #1695 of 3917

Can you give us pics of the Mod please ? 

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