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post #1636 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Oh gawd. Not all this "more power = better" crap again... A 20W per channel amp and the Vali will feed the HE-4 (or any other headphone) the exact power value to sustain a certain volume. You want to get to X volume? It requires Y watts. Always, no matter what amp. The difference between the Vali and a 20W amp is the amount of overhead power you have and the architecture of the amp. You may like a higher powered amp better but that's because the pairing is more pleasing to your ears, it has nothing to do with power. As long as you have an amp that's got some overhead (i.e. as long as it isn't operating with the volume knob at 100% all the time), it doesn't matter. I'd much rather get a Vali and run it at 3:00 than get a mini-X and run it at 8:30.

I don't think thats the right argument.  if your headphones require substantial power, like the he4 and 6, then more power does equal better.  now, I agree that the difference between 5wpc and 100wpc doesn't really matter with these cans.  but they do indeed need more then a typical headphone amp delivers.  This is why I think people should try a nice Tamp with the HE4/6.  they are very inexpensive, and deliver a nice tube like sound.  worth a shot for what they go for.

post #1637 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post
 

I don't think thats the right argument.  if your headphones require substantial power, like the he4 and 6, then more power does equal better.  now, I agree that the difference between 5wpc and 100wpc doesn't really matter with these cans.  but they do indeed need more then a typical headphone amp delivers.  This is why I think people should try a nice Tamp with the HE4/6.  they are very inexpensive, and deliver a nice tube like sound.  worth a shot for what they go for.

Actually, it is the right argument. Here is a chart populated by a user on a different forum: http://www.mediafire.com/view/dzwe1g73q6pbhnx/headphone%20power%20table.pdf

 

A headphone only needs a certain amount of power to get to a certain volume. Explain to me why you need a speaker amp when the HE-4 only needs just under 4W to go to 120dB (aka ear damage) and much less to go to 105. If you like speaker amps, great. They have a better pairing (in your opinion) than a headphone amp. Has nothing to do with power. Any amp is going to feed the headphones the same amount of watts for a specific volume. If I'm jamming on the Vali at 100dB and a speaker amp at 100dB, the amps are both fueling the headphones with the exact same power value. What, then, is the point of all the overhead?

post #1638 of 3917
I'm going to sit here and enjoy this..
post #1639 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Actually, it is the right argument. Here is a chart populated by a user on a different forum: http://www.mediafire.com/view/dzwe1g73q6pbhnx/headphone%20power%20table.pdf

 

A headphone only needs a certain amount of power to get to a certain volume. Explain to me why you need a speaker amp when the HE-4 only needs just under 4W to go to 120dB (aka ear damage) and much less to go to 105. If you like speaker amps, great. They have a better pairing (in your opinion) than a headphone amp. Has nothing to do with power. Any amp is going to feed the headphones the same amount of watts for a specific volume. If I'm jamming on the Vali at 100dB and a speaker amp at 100dB, the amps are both fueling the headphones with the exact same power value. What, then, is the point of all the overhead?

I'm not going to get into it with you, as its clear you have developed a very confident opinion.  But it seems your focusing on power as volume.  which is not what I was talking about.  I'm glad you enjoy your Vali.  It is an excellent amp, and if it gives you the sound your looking for, that is wonderful.  enjoy.

post #1640 of 3917
Wait, no, please keep arguing...it'll only lead to more rounded off opinions. I'm somewhat in the middle. I don't think at all that its the power in the speaker amps most love for orthps that's doing the trick. Its the quality of parts used. Also, the fact you can get a lot of them for cheaper than these high end specialty amps. I need need need to hear a good non speaker amp on the he4 though, as I've only been impressed with it off the pioneer and mini, not really so much by the mini after extensive listening. There is a lot of people, not just thujone, that use the ember/lyr on planars, he4 included. So please explain, have you done a side by side with a notable powerful non speaker amp and a speaker amp? I'm not trying to say I have a definite opinion either way,I want to hear my he4 on every damn amp I can to be honest, speaker or tube hp amp. So, keep arguing, its entertaining anyways.
post #1641 of 3917

all I will say is that Fang recommends an amp that is 2w per channel.  now, thats not a lot, but more then most headphone amps put out.  Power matters here, which is why Fang points it out.  I wouldn't get a stand alone headphone amp to drive the he4/6.  there aren't that many designed for this kind of performance.  I'd just get a stereo amp of some kind.  much less expensive, and can be used for speakers as well.  for those who don't want to do that, I always say to give something like this a try. 

 

http://www.parts-express.com/lepai-lp-2020a-tripath-class-t-hi-fi-audio-mini-amplifier-with-power-supply--310-300

 

 its the quality of the amp that matters, not the power.  any speaker amp can drive them.  I've been wanting to try a nice low wattage tube amp.  


Edited by Keithpgdrb - 3/9/14 at 8:43pm
post #1642 of 3917
Why not try the ember or lyr then?
post #1643 of 3917
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Why not try the ember or lyr then?

No reason not to.  Both are worth trying.  If I recall, schitt says it has the higher wattage specifically for orthos.  Of the two, I'd choose the schitt.  more versatile I think.  I'd have to refresh my memory on the ember.

post #1644 of 3917
Every single time somwone has compared the two, literally everytime I've read a comparison, the ember won. They say the lyr is more "veiled". not saying thwres not someone who prefers the lyr, just saying I've read a bunch on the two because I want the ember or lyr very badly to see if it really is a good match, for me at least. It really is all very personal.
post #1645 of 3917
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Every single time somwone has compared the two, literally everytime I've read a comparison, the ember won. They say the lyr is more "veiled". not saying thwres not someone who prefers the lyr, just saying I've read a bunch on the two because I want the ember or lyr very badly to see if it really is a good match, for me at least. It really is all very personal.

You really cant say the Lyr sounds like anything, it is extremely tube receptive. I have owned a multitude of tube amps and not a ones sonic signature changed as drastically with swapping tubes as the Lyr. It can sound bright with certain tubes, slow and tube-like, bass heavy, bass light, all depending on the tubes rolled in.

 

I am sure you would like either the Ember or the Lyr, but those who say it sounds "veiled" or any particular way is inaccurate. I have about 10 or 15 different tube sets that I could roll in that would prove that as false.

post #1646 of 3917

Well..I didn't mean for an argument to start. Just stating my findings.


Have you tried that Lepai amp? It's $20?!

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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post
 

all I will say is that Fang recommends an amp that is 2w per channel.  now, thats not a lot, but more then most headphone amps put out.  Power matters here, which is why Fang points it out.  I wouldn't get a stand alone headphone amp to drive the he4/6.  there aren't that many designed for this kind of performance.  I'd just get a stereo amp of some kind.  much less expensive, and can be used for speakers as well.  for those who don't want to do that, I always say to give something like this a try. 

 

http://www.parts-express.com/lepai-lp-2020a-tripath-class-t-hi-fi-audio-mini-amplifier-with-power-supply--310-300

 

 its the quality of the amp that matters, not the power.  any speaker amp can drive them.  I've been wanting to try a nice low wattage tube amp.  

post #1647 of 3917
See, thanks for the info! I've always wanted to hear the lyr, and ember honestly. I'm sure both are very very good amps. And I have the intention of buying one....at some point. I think they are probably very similar in the end. All these reviews, exaggerate the extremely subtle details, which do matter in the end. I bet veiled, just means, slightly less treble etch, which would work well with the he4. But, you're saying its tube receptive, both the lyr and ember are tube hybrids, so I'm sure the same is true about the ember. Honestly I want the ember more, because one, I like the look, and two, its a starter outfit like what schiit used to be. I have a lot of respect for both companies, but I'd like to give my amp money to garage1217, and my dac money to some piece of schiit.
post #1648 of 3917

I know!!!! its crazy inexpensive.  but almost all t-amps are.  I have not heard it myself, but others I know have heard it and say that it performs quite well.  I think it is worth a try for such small dollars.

post #1649 of 3917
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post
 

I know!!!! its crazy inexpensive.  but almost all t-amps are.  I have not heard it myself, but others I know have heard it and say that it performs quite well.  I think it is worth a try for such small dollars.



I wouldn't mind having speakers for my home setup... the audio-gd could use an amp to pair with but then I'd be looking for speakers. I hate this forum :rolleyes:

post #1650 of 3917

I'd honestly skip on t-amps.  While I've had extremely negative experiences with the Dayton stuff and can't say much for the lepai stuff, I do know that I'd consider the extra 100 or so bucks on a receiver money well spent over a t-amp.  Having multiple inputs, the remote and other features are easily worth the added money over a t-amp.  This is all for speakers anyways.

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