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post #1591 of 3036
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Your clearly using the wrong tubes in your crack. :-)

 

Haha, possibly.

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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

what's the biggest advantage ember has over the vali for the he4 is what I want to know. If you're saying the vali isnt dramatically behind the ember, just for the 4, I need to buy one asap.

 

Ember is more spacious sounding to my ears. It also seemed less warm with the particular tube I was using at the time (default 6N1P). Ember also offers tube rolling, gain adjustment, output resistance adjustment, input capacitor bypass (optional), and the ability to power the HE-6. Soundwise, with just the HE-4 and the tube I was using when I did the comparison, the Vali is unquestionably a better deal. The Ember just brings a lot more to the table and is more 'endgame' in my mind because of that. Also, you may have issues on the Vali if you have a really quite recording without all the power overhead. Oh, and microphonics. Don't be the guy who buys the Vali and complains because it rings every time you turn it on. Still though, if it puts it in perspective, purrin has noted how much he enjoys listening to the Gungnir>Vali>Abyss. When you think about that in terms of price tags ($750>$120>$5000), it speaks volumes about how great this little amp is.

post #1592 of 3036
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

what's the biggest advantage ember has over the vali for the he4 is what I want to know. If you're saying the vali isnt dramatically behind the ember, just for the 4, I need to buy one asap.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

 

Haha, possibly.

 

Ember is more spacious sounding to my ears. It also seemed less warm with the particular tube I was using at the time (default 6N1P). Ember also offers tube rolling, gain adjustment, output resistance adjustment, input capacitor bypass (optional), and the ability to power the HE-6. Soundwise, with just the HE-4 and the tube I was using when I did the comparison, the Vali is unquestionably a better deal. The Ember just brings a lot more to the table and is more 'endgame' in my mind because of that. Also, you may have issues on the Vali if you have a really quite recording without all the power overhead. Oh, and microphonics. Don't be the guy who buys the Vali and complains because it rings every time you turn it on. Still though, if it puts it in perspective, purrin has noted how much he enjoys listening to the Gungnir>Vali>Abyss. When you think about that in terms of price tags ($750>$120>$5000), it speaks volumes about how great this little amp is.

 

 

Agree'd just shut ur face up and buy the Vali, I had it and it was wonderful with my DT 880 best $120 I ever spent 

post #1593 of 3036

alright calm down man.

post #1594 of 3036

Well having 2 headphones that seems to pair well with it is promising. It seems to sell a lot in the classifieds which has me wondering if people just aren't happy with them or the hype train maybe just led on people with high expectations (it is only $120 after all..), I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deal.

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Well having 2 headphones that seems to pair well with it is promising. It seems to sell a lot in the classifieds which has me wondering if people just aren't happy with them or the hype train maybe just led on people with high expectations (it is only $120 after all..), I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deal.

People are still buying it without realizing there is a microphonics issue. I feel like that's part of the reason you see so many for sale.
post #1596 of 3036
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post


People are still buying it without realizing there is a microphonics issue. I feel like that's part of the reason you see so many for sale.

With Low Impedance headphones it's a little cumbersome

 

but with some as insensitive as the HE 4 it should have very little mircophonics if any

post #1597 of 3036
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

With Low Impedance headphones it's a little cumbersome

 

but with some as insensitive as the HE 4 it should have very little mircophonics if any

 

Yup, definitely. The D2000's ring for a lifetime. HD600's and HE-4... not so much.

post #1598 of 3036

My tube amp has a headphone out that provides 600mw, and on the back it has integrated amp speaker cable outputs that delivers 5w per channel.  I have a pair of HE-4 on their way.....do you think the speaker outs would provide enough power?  Is the 600mw enough to power them?  I have been using the HP out for my Beyer 600ohm DT880, 990, and T1, but I recently acquired a Jolida Tube DAC that I run to my Denon 2808 Receiver then Zone 2 to the tube amp.  I also have speaker taps connected to a Neutrik female 6.5 plug.  I use pre outs to other amps for my 7.1 Home Theater setup.  I started listening to my Beyers through the speaker taps on the Denon with fantastic results.  From the Jolida Tube DAC with 12AX7 tubes, I upgraded to Brimar NOS CV4035's, WOW!  The Jolida Tube DAC to Denon 2808 speaker tap output, sound better than the Jolida/tube DAC output.

 

Can't wait for the HE-4 to arrive?  Also have Alpha Dog arriving tomorrow, to try with the speaker taps on both the tube amp and the Denon 2808.  I am also making cable connections to both headphones so they can connect to my mini xlr detachable cables.  Should be a fun next couple of weeks!  I hope the 5w per channel is enough for the HE-4!

post #1599 of 3036

Go ahead and try the speaker taps as well as the front. 600mW should be fine though. Let us know what you think!

post #1600 of 3036

Someone posted about the HE-4 with Audio GD-10ES, and that the balanced output was 5wpc, I think, and the SE was 1.2w, and that the balanced out sounded much better.  I think it would, but no comparison when you look at the power output of SE vs Balanced on that amp.  I wonder if it is true balanced, with separate grounds on the balanced out, or if the grounds are tied together on the 10ES (can someone verify if the grounds are tied together, or if it is separate ground, true balanced?).  I think I should get the same results using the speaker taps from my tube amp at 5w vs the 600mw on the SE jack.

post #1601 of 3036
600mw per channel or total? Total would seem not enough, per channel would mean similar to the Schiit Vali.

The balanced on the Audio-GD is true balanced from what I recall reading up on it. I have the 10SE model though, thats older than the es
post #1602 of 3036
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

600mw per channel or total? Total would seem not enough, per channel would mean similar to the Schiit Vali.

The balanced on the Audio-GD is true balanced from what I recall reading up on it. I have the 10SE model though, thats older than the es

 

The spec just says headphone out is 600mw, 8 ohm output.  Sounds fantastic with the Beyers 600 ohm, run the gain at 9 o'clock!  I think it's Mshenay and it's a 10ES2.  But that made me look at the spec of the speaker out on my tube amp, 5wpc.  I have some Kimber PBJ wire ordered for the speaker tap to female Neutrik 6.5.  I also have a Robinette Box being made by Brunk, should be here in a couple of weeks.  My old Denon 4800 Receiver vintage 2000, has been used by my daughter and one of the surround channels crapped out so she bought a new Pioneer receiver, not even close in sound.  I am thinking of getting the Denon 4800 set up on my rack for two channel, speaker tap outs to heaphones.  It is 200 wpc and sounds damn good, but with the Robinette Box, that makes every headphone look like an 8 ohm speaker, I shouldn't have to worry about blowing any headphones.  Will know when I get everything together!

 

A multimeter between the L and R ground would tell if the ground is tied together or true balanced!


Edited by cute - 3/6/14 at 7:23pm
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What type of cable (material), does the HE-4 currently ship with?

post #1604 of 3036
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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

What type of cable (material), does the HE-4 currently ship with?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/707160/hifiman-3-foot-se-cable

post #1605 of 3036

It is a nice cable, however, the cords from the splitter to the individual connectors tangle very easily.

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