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post #1426 of 3917
Man... I wouldn't know how to look at one let alone have the speakers for it to be truly tested (I have bookshelf pioneers..). My old man knows a thing or two about electronics but not enough time to mess with vintage stuff.

I'll probably stick to the modern as at least I know I'll get many years on them if I go with a reputable brand.
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I still can hear my dads old NAD receiver from the early 80's though, holy hell that thing sounded good, and man it had some power behind it. Hopefully i can find it someday! Or the same model, id pay a big chunk for one now.
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

Man... I wouldn't know how to look at one let alone have the speakers for it to be truly tested (I have bookshelf pioneers..). My old man knows a thing or two about electronics but not enough time to mess with vintage stuff.

I'll probably stick to the modern as at least I know I'll get many years on them if I go with a reputable brand.

Modern amps arent going to give you the same sound though, trust me on this. Ask mattcg, he knows what im talking about, quite alot more as well. Thing is, these vintage pioneers, they have this signature to them, ive heard a few here and there throughout my life, but always preferred yamaha/pioneer to marantz. Dont get me wrong, marantz vintage integrated's are well built solid performers, but ive always had an ear for pioneer,yamaha, and NAD amps. Probably because thats what my audiophile father had. 

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Thing is, im glad i finally found an hp that makes me this happy to find matching equipment to it, nothing else has done this. And no this isnt me promoting this as the best hp ever like someone recently has suggested, whom also went on random rants elsewhere. Its just nice to find an hp, that reminds me of listening to speakers, and easy to listen to, maybe a tad bright if the recordings bad. I just dont know what can best this for me as an everyday every genre HP, and personally im not sure i want to know. Its probably an sr-007 on a blue hawaii, toooo much money for me! 

post #1429 of 3917

Would you say it has a warm solid state sound? I had the Matrix Mini-i that had that flavor. It was great but I thought it lacked clarity, too musical for my taste. I take it a vintage gives that warmth but depends on the clarity of the DAC. Which I can see very favorable

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That's how I've heard it yes. The Sr80i /shure 840/ he400, didnt show the inefficiency that the mags and 4 have shown. But yes, warmth, with detail, dac has made a difference. Sorry but I've dealt with only 2 dacs, both low end, e17 and dac destroyer. But, with the pioneer, the e17 performed much better, more detail, somehow more conceived bass impact, and overall clarity. The pioneers that I've heard, all share a very similar signature, warm, with a slight tilt in the treble, great mid clarity, but a somewhat rolloff in the lower end bass. Great impact but a slight rolloff. This may be due to components used and whatnot, but all the pioneer receivers I've heard had this great speed, great treble and just good mids. I've read some people saying the 70s pioneers are bright, but I don't agree with that at all, but I've only heard maybe 4 60s/70s pioneers.
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Originally Posted by Modular View Post
 

I think I'm about to pull the trigger on a brand new set of these. I have the dt880's and the HE400's. The 880's do classical so well, that it was a bit of a shock going to the HE400 from them. There are many things that the 400's do well and that the 880's do well, but neither one is my perfect headphone. The he400 just seem to lack something in the mids. Maybe it's the timbre mismatch. I don't have golden ears, but I know the 880's do natural sounding instruments way better. On the other hand, the 880's just don't have the bass quantity of the planars. I'd like a combo of the two.

 

From what I'm reading here, the HE4 may very well fit the bill. Any thoughts? 

 

 

PS - I knew I should have bit on the HE4 when headamp had it for $349! Ah well, live and learn.

YES

 

As a previous owner of both the HE 400 and DT 880, the HE 4 is a glorious combination of the two. Take teh best of both and you hvae the HE 4! Just make sure you have the amp to power them, but as every one has said,. the HE 4 is indeed a Super DT 880! Take it from a guy who had the DT 880 for a year :D, and I owned a 600ohm Balanced DT 880 at that ^^ I gave teh DT 880 it's best chance, Copper Cable, fully balanced Amp with plenty of power, super clean Dac, 24bit music... and it's still a smidge behind the HE 4 :3

 

Glad I bought my HE 4! N u will b to

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That's how I've heard it yes. The Sr80i /shure 840/ he400, didnt show the inefficiency that the mags and 4 have shown. But yes, warmth, with detail, dac has made a difference. Sorry but I've dealt with only 2 dacs, both low end, e17 and dac destroyer. But, with the pioneer, the e17 performed much better, more detail, somehow more conceived bass impact, and overall clarity. The pioneers that I've heard, all share a very similar signature, warm, with a slight tilt in the treble, great mid clarity, but a somewhat rolloff in the lower end bass. Great impact but a slight rolloff. This may be due to components used and whatnot, but all the pioneer receivers I've heard had this great speed, great treble and just good mids. I've read some people saying the 70s pioneers are bright, but I don't agree with that at all, but I've only heard maybe 4 60s/70s pioneers.

Yea that's what I hear a lot about Vintage Gear, very Warm and detailed signiture. I how ever like things on the drier side... so I'm very happy with my Modern Balanced Gear, although I have a weak spot for PCM and NOS Dacs, for their "musicality" 

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You guys are lame, this thread is so sleepy xD

 

anyways I had my AHA moment with the HE 4 yesterday 

 

with this song 

 

 

The you Tube clip doesn't ofc do it justice, but with a nice 16bit flac the He 4 really captures the "breathy" nature of the wood wind! Something I never noticed of felt with my DT 880 [and this is another "felt" mid thing for me] I never noticed mids had... tactile body to them till I got my NFB10ES2, so I'm always happy when I get to feel a good mid range tone! And the HE 4 does a nice job with the gentle tactility of the mids, a step above the DT 880! 

 

How is the HE 5 compared to the HE 4? btw

 

Whoa... speaking of the mids, I'm a big Doors fan, and I really love Morrisons voice on the HE 4 :D the dt880 didn't quite have it for me... but thus is why I upgraded to an HE 4 


Edited by Mshenay - 2/9/14 at 9:25pm
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So I messed up and forgot that purrin was lending out his HE-500's... AKA lending out his cable...

 

Just dropped off the cable in the mailbox last night, we should be seeing some measurements within the week. :)

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So I messed up and forgot that purrin was lending out his HE-500's... AKA lending out his cable...

 

Just dropped off the cable in the mailbox last night, we should be seeing some measurements within the week. :)

U guys r so quiet on this thread, thank gawd for the BIG HE thread 

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U guys r so quiet on this thread, thank gawd for the BIG HE thread

 

Well, it seems that the majority of the HFM crowd thinks that we are a bunch of pretentious lunatics.

 

How are you enjoying those D2000's by the way?

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

U guys r so quiet on this thread, thank gawd for the BIG HE thread 

I am waiting for the measurements. I suspect that the people claiming the more uneven magnetic flux on the driver due to the single ended design will cause distortion are wrong. I think the whole reason that the HE-4 is so inefficient is to make the flux on the driver consistent enough to reduce distortion. I want to see if I am right.

post #1438 of 3917

I won't be surprised to see distortion, after all the HE-4 has a very aggressive sound, but I'm not sure where we'll see it. The HE-400's have hardly any bass distortion at all with values much higher in the midrange while the HE-500 is pretty low across the whole spectrum (though not as low in the bass as the HE-400).

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Well, it seems that the majority of the HFM crowd thinks that we are a bunch of pretentious lunatics.

My bad....
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On a side note, ive found my next "vintage" amp. Instead of tracking down the NAD model my father had which was more high end, I'm going to go with the classic, emotiva mini-like, NAD 3020,no frills just an amp. Can be found fairly cheap and should hold a different Sig compared to the mini/pioneer.
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