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Congrats on the purchase.

Now I just need to sell my DT 880 asap... and ofc some one offered me a Darth Beyer >.> so tempting... a wood back Beyer headphone <.< 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Good! I just bought an HE 4 in mint condition with a balanced Cable!  and lots of extras. 

 

I might even get to compare the DT 880 and the HE 4! 


The HE4 sounds absolutely fantastic balanced on the NFB-10SE. Use high gain around 10-20 on the volume. The bass is absolutely phenomenal considering the mids and highs characteristics.


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 1/30/14 at 4:05pm
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The HE4 sounds absolutely fantastic balanced on the NFB-10SE. Use high gain around 10-20 on the volume. The bass is absolutely phenomenal considering the mids and highs characteristics.

will do :D 

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Does balanced actually improve these much? I've never heard a balanced setup. What does it add? Especially in reference to the 4
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Does balanced actually improve these much? I've never heard a balanced setup. What does it add? Especially in reference to the 4

If power were the same maybe not. On the audio-gd balanced is 5w vs 1.2w SE. BIG difference in sound, specially the bass.

Not sure if there would be ill effects to the amp by using an xlr to se converter on the balanced side...it'd be the only way to A/B for me.
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Does balanced actually improve these much? I've never heard a balanced setup. What does it add? Especially in reference to the 4

 

 

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post


If power were the same maybe not. On the audio-gd balanced is 5w vs 1.2w SE. BIG difference in sound, specially the bass.

Not sure if there would be ill effects to the amp by using an xlr to se converter on the balanced side...it'd be the only way to A/B for me.

It's mostly an Amp question, the NFB amps are designed to be used, or rather optimized for Balanced Out. So to get teh best of the Amp you need to utilize the Balanced out, even my D2k sounds better out of the NFB 10ES2 Balanced out, and it's mostly in sound stage and bass 

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Ok so its more about the amp itself and not the fact that its balanced right? Just the internal design the manufacture went with? I just never got how seperate grounds would help anything, but I'm not an audio engineer, and I'm usually wrong! Just ask the wife....
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Oh and mshenay, if you're willing to immediately take your he 4 apart. Do the felt removal, very carefully so its reversible, and let us know what you think! So far only me and soundsgoodtome have done it. Would like some more to see if we have am overall improvement to most users.
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Ok so its more about the amp itself and not the fact that its balanced right? Just the internal design the manufacture went with? I just never got how seperate grounds would help anything, but I'm not an audio engineer, and I'm usually wrong! Just ask the wife....

There's is a lot of... resentment and tension in the Balanced VS SE debate,

 

my Conclusion is, over all I find Balanced amps to offer cleaner and a better... sound than their SE counterparts 

 

And since there is no way to compare SE to Balanced headphones, I have thus assumed that it's in then end all about the amp, instead of saying my Balanced HE 4 sounds better than your SE, the statement is I like my Balanced NFB10ES2 over your SE Violectric V800 [or what ever]

 

But yea, in the Balanced VS Single End [SE] debate, I contribute any improvement in sound to the Design of the amp,

 

imo balanced amps are sound better, hence is why I own 2 [I had 3 but i sold my pb1 :3] 

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Oh and mshenay, if you're willing to immediately take your he 4 apart. Do the felt removal, very carefully so its reversible, and let us know what you think! So far only me and soundsgoodtome have done it. Would like some more to see if we have am overall improvement to most users.

.... yea I think not... it's discountinued so let's not take it apart q.q

 

But what does it do? 

post #1301 of 3917

aha gotcha, well thanks for the explanation and your opinion. I wont go further into that subject as it sounds very subjective and i dont care to balance my hps as of yet. I would like to hear a balanced setup at some point and im sure i will.

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aha gotcha, well thanks for the explanation and your opinion. I wont go further into that subject as it sounds very subjective and i dont care to balance my hps as of yet. I would like to hear a balanced setup at some point and im sure i will.

I for better or worse, have an entirely balanced set up, which means when I want a new headphone I either wait to find a used balanced one OR buy a used on and then balances it >.> 

 

I think though it's worth it, I've got enough power to drive any orthos at home or on the go, and the sound quality is pretty awesome 

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I will throw my hat in the ring on the balanced debate and say that balanced cans and amps do indeed sound better.  I've heard both balance and unbalanced HD600's out of the same amp.  Eddie current balancing act.  the only difference in the amp circuitry should be splitting the signal into a balanced configuration.  

 

balanced is better.

 

But, there are amp designers who make amazing sounding amps and don't even bother to balance them. (bottle head crack).  and some of those amps are world class.  SO...in the end, of course it comes down to the design of the amp, but you need the balanced phones to be able to dig it.

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.... yea I think not... it's discountinued so let's not take it apart q.q

 

But what does it do? 

 Basically, it created a more neutral sound, but, you have to get rid of the grill also. Its subtle, but the felt+grill stock held some detail and airyness/seperation back. Its not a huge signature or overall sound change by any means. But to my ears it created a more balanced sound overall. I felt as though the treble calmed down, so the mids sounded less recessed(but in the first place theyre not very recessed). I am very very terrible at explaining what i hear, but, ive gone back and fourth, and have somewhat settled on no felt. But, I am a treble head, and with the felt,i get some cymbal crashes that have so much more impact, which alot of people do not like. I do. Its very very clean highs, thats what i like about the 4, the highs are very very detailed and in your face, but the airyness of the hp, along with the seperation and soundstage make it a ton more enjoyable than its somewhat brother the grado/magnum. My thought on the 4 is its an open more detailed , better at everything,magnum. They have very similar signatures, but you get that planar bass, and smoother mids/upper mids, crazy air, and crazy instrument seperation. I have never heard a beyer, although i would like to at some point, so i dont know how itll be next to your dt880, but dynamic vs planar should give you a good upgrade/sidegrade at least. I know you had the 400, and i can speak to that, once i put these on, after 5 months with the 400, i never wanted to hear a 400 again. I went off topic, but hey,maybe its helpful to someone.

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

.... yea I think not... it's discountinued so let's not take it apart q.q

 

But what does it do? 


Answer with my quote:

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

In an attempt to make for a wider soundstage, I pulled the heavy felt off the driver and removed the dust cover on the grill. You can refer to the hifiman grill mod thread here for more info. On the grill mod thread, it just says to remove the star felt. Well you can't just yank it off without using a lot of force so it helps to take the pads off, unscrew the driver and remove the driver from the cup to expose the adhesive tapes used on the felt. You can't completely separate the driver from the cup because of the cable so mind how far your pulling or twisting the driver. Don't want to yank those contacts off and have to bust out the soldering gun.







I also removed the dust cover, the grill mod mentions it playing a roll with treble. One of my fears in doing this was making the treble more pronounced than it already is, which to me is just on the edge on how bright I want my cans to be. On the contrary however, it did just the opposite. It removed the air, which to me is treble from 12-16khz. Some might not like this but if you want the HE4 with a little more relaxed treble, this might be something you want to try. However, the lows and mids get pushed forward and the highs take a back seat (although still with presence). The soundstage gets very slightly wider but the instrument separation does improve where as before the treble seems to mask separation. This could just be me, who sits with the treble-sensitive group. The HE4 still retains its speed but a slight degradation of attack.

What you end up with is a slightly warm HE4 with better instrument separation, better depth, and less treble. Similar to an HE500 but without the thick mids. It can be favorable to some, but I've gotten so used to that airy sound. I may hit an arts/crafts store to find a thinner felt and trace the old one with a slightly larger star pattern. We'll see where it goes, for now I'll give the HE4 as it is some getting used to time.

Then I removed the grill all together. I still need to find a good open grill to replace the stock grill but here's my finding after running open without the star felt:

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post



After some listening time to the mods I did last night (removed dust cover, star felt,, and switched to pleather pads) I decided to try the he4 without the grill.

The airy-ness has returned along with a better edge to the sound! My guess is the grill was reflecting some sound or was effecting how the driver moved air. If you have any DIY bone to you I swear you will not be disappointed. Beneath the felt and grill are some drivers dying to breath, taking off them off brings a whole new level of clarity to along with that airy sound. At first listen I had to pick up my jaw from the floor. Loaded up some GnR and sure enough... attack and speed is back with that airy sound. Separation also improves substantially with a more natural soundstage. With the grill on (minus star felt and dust fabric) the sound had a hall-like sound to it, without the grill that doesn't happen.

Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 1/30/14 at 9:11pm
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