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post #301 of 1350

Nice tubes John.

 

Which do you prefer best?

post #302 of 1350
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Originally Posted by pkjames View Post

Hi guys, I have a LD mk 6, paired with hd600. Recently want to upgrade the can to Hifiman he500. As the 500 requires lot zf power I just wonder if the MK6 will be able to handle it well? Would I be able to get a significant upgrade in SQ?
James

I've got this combo - I refer you to my previous comments in this thread, if you do a search you will find it! I think I've found the perfect set up, I went for the HE500's and they're very easy to drive even on the default gain setting. The sound is very musical - possibly unlike the HE6's, which I haven't heard, - at least how I imagine listening to cans with that much detail, which might be quite dry. That couldn't be said of the HE500's. IMO these are about as good as it gets, they don't have any nasties like changes in SQ between differing frequencies, the whole thing is just one glorious progression and totally effortless. I like the Tung Sol 6sl7 types to bring out the base detail and treble magic, anything better than these will probably be very expensive! One thing - I prefer the copper cable rather than the standard silver one. If you ask when you purchase the hifimans they will do a balanced connector on this cable for you. I don't find the fan noise audible when listening through a balanced connector. Finally, there is just no comparison with the HD600's which sound incredibly boring compared to the excitement you get when listening through the HE500's which sound totally realistic to me, especially  when listening to good quality live recordings.

post #303 of 1350
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I've got this combo - I refer you to my previous comments in this thread, if you do a search you will find it! I think I've found the perfect set up, I went for the HE500's and they're very easy to drive even on the default gain setting. The sound is very musical - possibly unlike the HE6's, which I haven't heard, - at least how I imagine listening to cans with that much detail, which might be quite dry. That couldn't be said of the HE500's. IMO these are about as good as it gets, they don't have any nasties like changes in SQ between differing frequencies, the whole thing is just one glorious progression and totally effortless. I like the Tung Sol 6sl7 types to bring out the base detail and treble magic, anything better than these will probably be very expensive! One thing - I prefer the copper cable rather than the standard silver one. If you ask when you purchase the hifimans they will do a balanced connector on this cable for you. I don't find the fan noise audible when listening through a balanced connector. Finally, there is just no comparison with the HD600's which sound incredibly boring compared to the excitement you get when listening through the HE500's which sound totally realistic to me, especially  when listening to good quality live recordings.

thanks for the comment, this is exactly what I wanted to hear! I know HE500 is a good pair of cans and really just need to confirm if it pairs with MK6 well enough, and now I have the confirmation. Thanks very much, $$ saving time.

post #304 of 1350
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Thanks for your input guys. I was initially considering to upgrade the mk 6 to mk 8 and get a hd800 in the future but thinking if I can just get the he500 and keep the mk6 to achieve nice result then I may as well save myself a fortune. The only problem for living downunder is we don't even have a proper Hifiman reseller to audit the can!

Regarding the HD800, from what I found when I was looking into this, virtually the only thing that would be better than the HE500 would be soundstage, and you would lose the excitement of the up front presentation and the beautiful smooth tonality of the HE500 as I've heard reports that the tone of the HD800 is also slightly harsher, especially treble. The tradeoff would therefore be soundstage versus excitement because the two are mutually exclusive - not that the hifimans don't have a soundstage - on the contrary they do have a good, realistic one but not the very large, airy, distant, outside the headphones type of soundstage that I've heard mention of in all the reports. You take your pick. I have not heard the HD800 I hasten to add but I'm just quoting reports on the HD800 to save you time. I'm glad I went for the hifiman!

post #305 of 1350
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Originally Posted by baronbeehive View Post

Regarding the HD800, from what I found when I was looking into this, virtually the only thing that would be better than the HE500 would be soundstage, and you would lose the excitement of the up front presentation and the beautiful smooth tonality of the HE500 as I've heard reports that the tone of the HD800 is also slightly harsher, especially treble. The tradeoff would therefore be soundstage versus excitement because the two are mutually exclusive - not that the hifimans don't have a soundstage - on the contrary they do have a good, realistic one but not the very large, airy, distant, outside the headphones type of soundstage that I've heard mention of in all the reports. You take your pick. I have not heard the HD800 I hasten to add but I'm just quoting reports on the HD800 to save you time. I'm glad I went for the hifiman!

Tks for the advice. From my reading, people also suggest that the new MK 8 is a better match for the hd800, and taking buying and selling into account, it would cost a lot more if I go for the HD800 route. So going the he500 is an obvious choice now:D
post #306 of 1350

I have never listened to any Hifimans but Senn HD800 + LD MKVIIIse is an incredible combo that I can really recommend gs1000.gif
 

post #307 of 1350

Someone better qualified than me can comment but I'm pretty sure that you could run the HD800 with the Mk VI+ at a pinch, I've run my HD600's on it without any problems on the default low gain setting even.

post #308 of 1350

vi has much higher output than viii, but i think viii is designed to run at lower current to drive those high impedance cans hence cooler; where as vi was originally designed for high current / power consumption cans like the KK. In other words, VIII is more refined where VI delivers a lot more punch.

post #309 of 1350

The only problem for VI that bothers me is the heat, so I am about to do a massive fan mod on the VI to run it as silent and cool as possible, will post pic accordingly. basically will get rid of the base plate and move the fan outside, so that i can run a giant fan at much lower speed. I will  also replace the polypropylene coupling caps to PIOs!

post #310 of 1350

Changing the tubes to 5998/7236 helps the amp run cooler with a lower bias. The transparency and overall gain also increase (running my HE-6 on low gain). I only have two 900rpm fans running and the amp only just get warm  after being on for hours.

post #311 of 1350
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post

 (running my HE-6 on low gain). 

 

 

Why on low gain with the HE-6?  

post #312 of 1350
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Originally Posted by pkjames View Post

vi has much higher output than viii, but i think viii is designed to run at lower current to drive those high impedance cans hence cooler; where as vi was originally designed for high current / power consumption cans like the KK. In other words, VIII is more refined where VI delivers a lot more punch.

 

That's a similar argument for not using the 6sn7's in place of the 6sl7's which shouldn't run well on the mkvi, the gain is that much less, however they are better apparently, although I've not been able to detect much difference in SQ. Maybe the amp runs closer to peak efficiency on lower gain as you can max it out better, not that I'm anywhere near max, I don't know.

 

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Why on low gain with the HE-6?  

 

That's what I wondered because I used low gain with my HD600's, and still I couldn't max out the mkvi. I assumed it was not to do with power requirements but with having adequate headroom for better SQ with the higher impedance cans because they could be driven quite adequately on low gain, again maybe others who know more could reply. I know that lower current is compatible with higher impedance but if such cans can be powered well on the mkvi why do you need the low current mkviii for improved SQ? I understood that only speaker amps could power the HE6, but that is apparently not the case.

 

post #313 of 1350

With stock tubes I had to use the high gain but since getting those TS 5998 I have switched back and forth and prefer them on  low gain, which  usualy mean  less distortion. Normal volume on low gain is usually around 1-2 o'clock (with the HE-6), which give more room and more precise volume adjustment and is also said to be  the sweet spot electrically  for taper pot such as Alps. I can also use all my other cans wink.gif

post #314 of 1350

i popped in a pair of tung-sol 6SL7GT (which happen to sit nicely wrapped in my tube box!) into the MK6 today, the bass is in deed notably stronger than RCA 5691 and Sylvania 6SL7GT. And they are still NOS, so I would think some burn in and they will truly shine!

post #315 of 1350
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Originally Posted by pkjames View Post

i popped in a pair of tung-sol 6SL7GT (which happen to sit nicely wrapped in my tube box!) into the MK6 today, the bass is in deed notably stronger than RCA 5691 and Sylvania 6SL7GT. And they are still NOS, so I would think some burn in and they will truly shine!

Great! These are my favourites at the moment - they are detailed yet have a nice silkyness to them that lets you know you  are listening on tubes still. I especially like the lightness of the treble and vocals on midrange are also good, and the base on the hifimans is so realistic and punchy without being overpowering, so they  get my vote as the best all round tube. I used to prefer RCA's but with the full hifiman sound I think the Tungsols go better, whereas they were slightly thin with my old Audio Technica's. Also the soundstage draws you in nicely. I always burn mine in for at least 50 hours to make sure they are sounding nice and smooth. As I said to go better I think you are talking hundreds of dollars for tubes, for example the Shuguang Treasures which I'm not sure work properly on the mkvi anyway due to their size, not to mention different power tubes. So I've stopped tube rolling pretty much as the really rare tubes are virtually unobtainable and I'm happy with the set up now anyway which for the price is unbeatable. I did try some Brimars a while ago, though not with the hifimans and I still prefer the Tung sols. What cans have you got at the moment?

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