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post #1 of 94
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Sorry for my first post being a cry for help rather than a useful contribution, but you have to start somewhere!  But I will try to explain my needs as thoroughly as possible. Excuse me if I'm using not too accurate adjectives or if my whole story is not very well told, I master two other languages better than English. I've read the "head gear" section and some topics (especially this one by "eucariote" was very helpful), but thought it would be better to get some new ideas specifically for my needs.

 

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SKIP THIS PART IF YOU WANT TO GET TO THE POINT

 

First of all, I don't have much experience with full sized headphones. I used them in the past a lot, but never did I actually consciously "listened" to them really, because of different reasons (the whole situation, no time, no comparison, did not think about it, etc.). I don't have much experience with hi-fi either. And I don't possess any fancy gear.

 

However, I think I do have a good ear. I'm a great music-enthousiast, I play(ed) the guitar in a lot of different bands, have a little bit recording experience, my family is pretty much into music (I think I can call my father almost an audiophile). I don't know anyone else who is nitpicking so much about sound. I can imagine though, it's almost never good!  Considering guitar sound, I think I tried most of the woods (of different parts of the guitar)/models (of the guitar)pickups/amps/speakers/boxes/pedals/etc. What I'm trying to say is that I think I have a pretty good ear despite my lack of experience with headphones.

 

Anyway, what I do have is a '09 Macbook (it wasn't labeled "pro" then, but it's the unibody aluminium design), an external soundcard (Line6 Toneport UX2), and a Sony receiver with a small 5.1 set (which I mostly use as a 2.1 because I can't get the sound of the vocals right in 5.1). So it's basically this:

 

Laptop---(USB)----> soundcard----(coax)----> receiver


> speakers

 

I would like to plug my future headphones into the soundcard. However, I'm not sure how well it can power headphones, I can't find the specific output impedance (I think that's what I need?). And the soundcard is USB-powered, so I would think the output is not great. On the other hand, it's a recording sound card with a dedicated headphone output with it's own output-potmeter - it should be alright, right? But then again, it's not the best soundcard either ($200). And that it's USB-powered is bugging me. Of course I could use the output of my laptop or of the Sony receiver. Maybe the Sony would do a better job compared to the soundcard?

 

Getting back to the headphones, I think I have one thing I can compare it with a little which may help you. Besides the (I assume pretty cheap) Sony open headphones I have (I don't like them much because they are not closed, the sound could be a lot better, and something inside the left cup started to rattle one of these days) and the Sennheiser HDR 115 wireless headphones (I don't like them because they are not closed, uncomfortable (on the air), the sound is mediocre, and the radio hiss is pretty annoying), I have the Etymotic HF2 (which are basically the same as the popular ER-4Ps I understand) in-ear phones. Which I totally like! It is well balanced, clarity is great, very "accurate", and offer great isolation and comfort for me.

 

Why I'm saying this is that I read a lot about them and comparable in-ears (also here on the forum), and the main criticism was (if I recall it correctly) was that they very have little bass, are not warm, too "sterile", are not so exciting. I think I can understand that, but I think I see it the other way around. I call all these things "accurate" (again, sorry if I'm using strange adjectives). Rather than a pleasant big sound, they confront you in the face with all the instruments separately, and are unforgiving for small mistakes. I like that. However I agree the bass indeed is too little, and overall they sound a bit harsh. I imagine in-ears sounding warmer without sacrificing in clarity and "accurateness" I'm talking about.

 

So I don't know if this says much too you. Bottom line is that I like "accurate" (I really feel handicapped in my vocubulary...) sounds, the bass doesn't have to blow me away, and I love the hear all the instruments independently. And of course I want to hear especially the guitars as good as possible. But still, the sound has to be well balanced.

 

What do I want to listen to with the headphones? To start with the less important things and go up: Movies. I love movies a lot, but I think I will be satisfied with most decent headphones. Music is far more important. What music then? All kinds of music (except metal and 99% of the R&B/hiphop (I even don't know the difference between the two)). Pop, classical, jazz, folk, acoustic, electronic. But what really gets me off is (hard) rock. Most of it is sadly from the previous millennium. Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Rainbow, Scorpions, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath... that kind of stuff gives me the goosebumps. So that's the most important.

 

Soundwise not less important however, is that I want to record with it. Also, I don't want to hear my acoustic guitar bleed through the headphone, I only want to hear the processed sound of the drivers of my headphone. It would be great if it could block my electric guitar too, but that's probably too much to ask. And although I'm a lousy singer, I think I want the same for my vocal recording - I want to hear myself as much as possible through the headphones only.

 

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Long story, but I think I've covered everything. To summarize it (also for the ones who skipped the part): I search for headphones with good isolation, well balanced "accurate" sound with much clarity suitable especially for listening to rock and recording. And that it will sound good with my setup too of course (which is an USB-powered soundcard or a not-too-fancy Sony receiver).

 

This is what I found so far for about $200 and with a not too high impedance:

 

 

  • Audio Technica ATH-A700   64Ω
  • Audio Technica ATH-M50S   38Ω
  • Fischer Audio FA-003   64Ω
  • AKG K271 mkII   55Ω
  • Shure SRH 840   44Ω
  • Beyerdynamic DT-770   250/80/32Ω

 

The review I mentioned above covers the last three, which is in favour of the Shure. So the logical questions are

 

  • What do you guys think is the best for my needs (compared to the other headphones)?
  • Did I forgot other headphones which are worth mentioning?
  • How will they perform with my soundcard and/or simple receiver?

 

 

I think that's it. Enormous thanks in advance! 

 

Don't adapt your answers to it, but I think I will be too weak to resist to the temptation in buying a dedicated headphone amp. I've done no research in this yet, since I really want to use the above mentioned setup for at least the first couple of years, but could someone help me in the right direction in choosing an amp it would be nice. Again, I have zero experience/knowledge in this area, so a link to general info and comparisons would be the best I think.

post #2 of 94

SRH840s are good but very uncomfortable (at least to a lot of people). I would try them and see if your head fits them. I can't stand their comfort. Or you can mod them. 

 

DT770s are a good choice if you like bass.

 

Check out Ultrasones (I've never tried it, but they have a reputation here). 

 

Check out the Audiotechnica A900s to add to your list (should be around 200 at a good deal time). Never tried them but they're one of the highly rated closed headphones out there.

 

All of the headphones I've listed and you've listed will do fine with no amp. They will improve with an amp, but will be very good without. 

post #3 of 94
Thread Starter 

Ok, thanks! 

 

I'm not very much into super hard bass, I like it natural and balanced.

 

About the Shures, what I read is that they could be uncomfortable for people with big heads, because of the hard clamp? And in a different place I read something about problems with big ears. My head nor my ears are big though. Different problem is that I can't find any store that sells these Shures, or even any comparable headphones...

post #4 of 94

I recently bought a pair of DT770/80's, didn't particularly thought base was very important, but chose these cans anyway, after reading very much here....

 

I only made a comparison with the M50's, K271 and Sennheisers HD-25 and I'm really happy with my choice.

 

Offcourse, don't take the 250 version if you want low impedance.

 

Good hunting!

post #5 of 94

The shure is comfortable for me, and I do have a big head but not big ears.  I have them at the largest setting and they just barely reach my ears, and luckily my ears fit within the open area without being pressed by the cushion.  I don't find the clamping force uncomfortable.  I think headphones that avoid touching the ears at all don't bother me in comfort, for instance Grado's do hurt my ears within a short amount of time because they to press directly on the ear. 

post #6 of 94
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Originally Posted by Stormbringer View Post

Ok, thanks! 

 

I'm not very much into super hard bass, I like it natural and balanced.

 

About the Shures, what I read is that they could be uncomfortable for people with big heads, because of the hard clamp? And in a different place I read something about problems with big ears. My head nor my ears are big though. Different problem is that I can't find any store that sells these Shures, or even any comparable headphones...


You can always mod them if you'd like. 

 

Couple things about the Shures. 

 

1. Flat headband. Feels like theres a point on your head.

2. Gets warm, specially in summer. (hotter than most headphones)

3. Clamping (I personally don't mind clamping but I can see how it can be a problem)

4. Unncessarily heavy. Look up some mods on the headband. You can see that there are extra materials for no apparent reason. Adds to discomfort. 

 

However, they are a great deal for the sound. I would try to go to some kind of place to try them. Or wait for a meetup or something. 

post #7 of 94

I don't mind wearing the shures for long times, the only thing about them is there weight, if there not on properly they will start to slip.

I love there sound, I haven't done any serius listening, just some tech n9ne and a little bit of the flobots. Still very clear while still staying fun.

 

They can be had new from ebay for 150 which to my knowledge is legit.

I want to say from a store they should be 200 (like a bestbuy).

post #8 of 94
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Originally Posted by juanharu4913 View Post

I don't mind wearing the shures for long times, the only thing about them is there weight, if there not on properly they will start to slip.

I love there sound, I haven't done any serius listening, just some tech n9ne and a little bit of the flobots. Still very clear while still staying fun.

 

They can be had new from ebay for 150 which to my knowledge is legit.

I want to say from a store they should be 200 (like a bestbuy).


Check Amazon. Ebay should be legit but ebay is always sketchy. 

post #9 of 94
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Check Amazon. Ebay should be legit but ebay is always sketchy. 


x2

post #10 of 94
Thread Starter 

Thank you all!

 

Shures + mods if I'll feel the same about the comfort seems a pretty good choice to me.

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Originally Posted by Proglover View Post

I only made a comparison with the M50's, K271 and Sennheisers HD-25 and I'm really happy with my choice.


Where could you do such a comparison? Here in Twente I can't find any store with some serious headphones...

post #11 of 94

If you're really patient I know amazon has an awsome return policy where I've heard many people buying multiple headphones and returning them.
 

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Originally Posted by Stormbringer View Post

Thank you all!

 

Shures + mods if I'll feel the same about the comfort seems a pretty good choice to me.


Where could you do such a comparison? Here in Twente I can't find any store with some serious headphones...

post #12 of 94
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Originally Posted by Stormbringer View Post

Thank you all!

 

Shures + mods if I'll feel the same about the comfort seems a pretty good choice to me.


Where could you do such a comparison? Here in Twente I can't find any store with some serious headphones...



Actually, that was not in Holland itself, although 'Rockpalace Den Haag' (http://www.rockpalace.com) has a couple (the Senns and Beyers are in stock there).

 

I'm a drummer and I buy my stuff in Germany: http://www.thomann.de/nl/index.html 

I went there to buy my electronic drum kit, and made the comparison, bought my DT770's at the same time.

 

Check the website, they're a lot cheaper then when you buy in Holland in my experience (especially AKG, Beyer and Sennheiser).

 

groetjes (=greetings) 

post #13 of 94
Thread Starter 

That's a good suggestion!

 

Shame however it won't be smart to order from the USA, because I'll have to pay taxes to the items of whom I 75% will return. It's a lot cheaper than in Germany though. For the SRH840, K271mkII, DT770 32Ω and ATH-M50 the USA charges $635, while Europe wants almost $1000. Even with with taxes + higher shipment USA would be better. But then again, I will have to pay for taxes for 3 headphones which I will return...

 

Also, the USA have the A900s, while Germany hasn't.

 

But I'll read the policies of Amazon Germany anyway, testing and comparing is much better than buying one and hoping it will be alright. On the USA website I do read however the following:

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You may return most new, unopened items sold and fulfilled by Amazon.com within 30 days of delivery for a full refund.

 

So that comparing thing won't work for me?

post #14 of 94
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Proglover View Post

Actually, that was not in Holland itself, although 'Rockpalace Den Haag' (http://www.rockpalace.com) has a couple (the Senns and Beyers are in stock there).

 

I'm a drummer and I buy my stuff in Germany: http://www.thomann.de/nl/index.html 

I went there to buy my electronic drum kit, and made the comparison, bought my DT770's at the same time.

 

Check the website, they're a lot cheaper then when you buy in Holland in my experience (especially AKG, Beyer and Sennheiser).

 

groetjes (=greetings) 


Oh, I completely forgot about Germany! I can go to Ibbenbüren to Musik-Produktiv! I go there for all the important guitar gear I need, but I didn't think of them in this case because somehow headphones didn't feel connected with the guitar in my brains! I'll do that for sure! Bedankt/thanks! smily_headphones1.gif

post #15 of 94

DT770s are a good choice if you like bass.

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