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Ehhh this is so far from the truth that is isn't even funny.  In fact a lot of gear out there is badly designed crap stuck in a fancy box and with a high price tag. 

 

As for 6moons, they are beyond useless. 


Ive certainly not heard every piece of gear out there, but I have heard a lot, at meets and what Ive owned, and Ive never thought, "Wow what a piece of crap".

post #17 of 68

Even an ipod doesnt sound like a piece of crap - the point is that often times a piss poor circuit choice using piss poor parts will be placed inside a 100 pound aluminum block with brass trimmings, and ask for a premium price.  These devices simply do not sound nearly good enough to justify the cost
 

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Ive certainly not heard every piece of gear out there, but I have heard a lot, at meets and what Ive owned, and Ive never thought, "Wow what a piece of crap".

post #18 of 68

Yup. Exactly.  And thats where our ears as consumers will make the distinction.  

post #19 of 68

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Originally Posted by El_Doug View Post

Even an ipod doesnt sound like a piece of crap - the point is that often times a piss poor circuit choice using piss poor parts will be placed inside a 100 pound aluminum block with brass trimmings, and ask for a premium price.  These devices simply do not sound nearly good enough to justify the cost
 


Well, a lot of times it'll be a really common circuit (but not necessarily a bad one) that the manufacturer lifted from some 1950s hi-fi book, ran off some PCBs, dropped in a bunch of boutique parts, and put it into a super-fancy case with pricey connectors.

 

Then they'll claim it's "state of the art," and attach a four-figure pricetag.  The audio rags will trumpet it as the highest achievement and those who don't know any better will assume it's wonderful because, after all, it must be good because it costs so much.


Edited by Uncle Erik - 11/5/10 at 9:59pm
post #20 of 68
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My take on it is simple - 6Moons just isnt in a position to bite the hand that feeds. I agree that audio is a little more civilised than many other areas, but if a critic can walk into a 3-star Michelin restaurant and complain that he felt the chef just wasnt at his best on that particular night, surely the 6Moons guys might occasionally point out that their impressions didnt quite gel with the marketing blurb - even Stereophile arent afraid to do that, particularly in the testing that follows each review.

 

If I could identify one aspect of a review which sets it above the 'CNET-style' quickies its the reviewer who takes the time to contact the manufacturer and clarify a perceived shortcoming. Simply giving it '3 stars' and moving on to the next gadget in the queue does nothing to improve the overall standard.

 

End of the day, I still like the eye candy on the 6 Moons site, even minus Uncle Erik-style hallucinogens.

 

post #21 of 68
If your looking for a review that did not go over to well for the product, those aught cheer you up.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/firestone3/firestone.html
post #22 of 68
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If your looking for a review that did not go over to well for the product, those aught cheer you up.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/firestone3/firestone.html
 

 

Well done - thanks for that. I guess Firestone are a fairly soft target, but its reassuring to see someone point out problems with quality control (and the subsequent 'fix' ...) like that. Not sure if I have misread his concluding paragraphs, but he also seems to be taking a swipe at NuForce.

 

I simply wasn't the right type of rez-über-alles listener who'd appreciate this early NuForce sound

 

I guess you could just as easily say 'early NAD sound' etc, but it surprised me nonetheless given 6Moons' enthusiastic reception for virtually everything Jason has produced over the last 2 years.

post #23 of 68

Yeah, hes talking about the early house sound of NuForce, which some found thin and whitewashed, no real substance behind the message.  The newer NuForce gear is quite the 360.  Detailed, yet with weight.

post #24 of 68
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Why review bad gear?


Because that is *exactly* the gear that the print magazines are unlikely to review, unless its sufficiently high profile for them to do so. If Ken Ishiwata released a new 'KI' series for Marantz, I would expect most of the mainstream mags to review the gear - I doubt the 'Libby' and its sister would have been given valuable editorial in anything where they rely on circulation figures for ad revenue.

 

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360 ? I'm hoping you mean '180'  !   smily_headphones1.gif

 

post #26 of 68

Personally, I cannot stand reading reviews that Srajan Ebaen writes.  He tries so desperately to come across as a clever, witty, amusing writer who loves to remind the reader of all the expensive gear he owns (purchased no doubt at some enormous discount)...he is unreadable and insufferable. 

 

I also notice that any product that gets a good review seems to then get advertised on the 6moons web-site in short order, so there is definitely a symbiotic relationship between Srajan's financial health and that of the audio manufacturers whose products 6moons reviews.

 

But I am curious about how the reviewers employed by 6moons are compensated.  I assume they get paid for each review written and are also entitled the discounts on gear as reviewers/members of the trade.  Whenever a review ends with the statement "I liked xxx so much, I bought it", the question that comes to my mind is: how far below the list price?  Presumably a big enough discount that the reviewer won't lose much if anything if he later sells it used.

post #27 of 68
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Personally, I cannot stand reading reviews that Srajan Ebaen writes.  He tries so desperately to come across as a clever, witty, amusing writer who loves to remind the reader of all the expensive gear he owns (purchased no doubt at some enormous discount)...he is unreadable and insufferable. 





 





I also notice that any product that gets a good review seems to then get advertised on the 6moons web-site in short order, so there is definitely a symbiotic relationship between Srajan's financial health and that of the audio manufacturers whose products 6moons reviews.





 





But I am curious about how the reviewers employed by 6moons are compensated.  I assume they get paid for each review written and are also entitled the discounts on gear as reviewers/members of the trade.  Whenever a review ends with the statement "I liked xxx so much, I bought it", the question that comes to my mind is: how far below the list price?  Presumably a big enough discount that the reviewer won't lose much if anything if he later sells it used.









Methinks you got up onthe wrong side of the bed today, maybe, just maybe?



It would then not please you that i am trying to model my own professional writing style off his. My History Senior Seminar proffessor did not like it either, she told me to change it... sucks to be her.



Of course there is a relationship between the advertisements on 6moons and the reviews that go well. How do you think advertising works, randomly place adds and see what sticks? I doubt that Firestone will be advertising on his website.



And no, none of the reviewers get paid, except Srajan himself who uses this website as his business. All associate reviewers do their part as fellow hobbits, no payment. And yes they do get to buy the product, usually at manufactures pricing.


http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/why/why.html
Edited by kboe - 11/7/10 at 7:52pm
post #28 of 68

 

 

 

Very Very True,there are reviewers(Self Appointed) who do purchase gear for reviews at its true value (around 80% less than RRP) who afterwards onsell the item at a profit in order to sustain there review site.

 

The whole Industry needs to take a good look at itself.There are only so many suckers to sell to.

post #29 of 68
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The whole Industry needs to take a good look at itself.There are only so many suckers to sell to.


What stuns me, in these difficult times, is that the cable companies can still find people who will drop 10K+ on a pair of interconnects.

 

post #30 of 68
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What stuns me, in these difficult times, is that the cable companies can still find people who will drop 10K+ on a pair of interconnects.

 



 Yes,amazing how one with the brains ingenuity to earn that sort of money can be such fools.

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