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post #436 of 3422
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PSK is slightly better, but the problem is its weight.

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For me, the problem with the weight isn't that it's hard for the neck to support it or something like that, it's just that the weight is hard on the skull.

This can be fixed by changing the headband, once that's done, they are not to heavy anymore.

 

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With all respect guys, but this, an review, are you joking me? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1012/grado_ps1000.htm

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Is it a good or useful review? No.

 

But I think it's a bit fun and it's definitely appropriate to post something like that in an appreciation thread.

I think most people here is intelligent enough to take it for what it is.

 

Cheers!

post #437 of 3422
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Originally Posted by stokitw View Post
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PSK is slightly better, but the problem is its weight.

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For me, the problem with the weight isn't that it's hard for the neck to support it or something like that, it's just that the weight is hard on the skull.

This can be fixed by changing the headband, once that's done, they are not to heavy anymore.

 

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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post

With all respect guys, but this, an review, are you joking me? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1012/grado_ps1000.htm

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Is it a good or useful review? No.

 

But I think it's a bit fun and it's definitely appropriate to post something like that in an appreciation thread.

I think most people here is intelligent enough to take it for what it is.

 

Cheers!

Ya think?

post #438 of 3422

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Originally Posted by 563 View Post

Focker:  The GS-1000i has more soundstage and is much more comfortable than the PS-1000 (this does not mean the PS-1000 isn't comfortable, but you simply don't feel the GS-1000i on your head when you put them on - they're much lighter in weight, etc.).  That said, the GS-1000i are just a bit more sibillant on the high end, to my ears, and slightly "thinner" in overall sound - though not 'thin' by any means, compared to the PS-1000.  If you weren't doing an immediate A/B listen to the GS-1000i and the PS1000, you might not notice it that much, or even at all, depending on how acute your hearing is.  I've mentioned this before, a while back, but this difference in no way - to my ears - makes the GS-1000i less than an outstanding pair of cans, particularly with respect to classical music.   But the first time I heard my PS-1000, it definitely filled the 'gap' (except for the soundstage) so to speak; the PS-1000 is just much more lush and full a sound, with much more complete bass and the highs didn't seem (again, to my ears) quite as sibillant.  That said, the PS1000 is substantially more expensive than the GS-1000i - you can't go wrong with either.  I love them both.

 

Thanks man, that's great info. One thing I read about the GS1ks that REALLY appealed to me is that they have the wide sound stage that you mentioned, but also are image well. Is that true in your experience? I prioritize imaging over sound stage, and it's rare that I've found a speaker or headphone taht can do both well. If the GS1ks can pull this off I can almost guarantee I'll like them.

 

Also, do you think the PS1ks and GS1ks are complementary enough that owning and enjoying both is feasible? Or do you think the GS1ks would gather dust when the chromes are in the house?

I had them both for a couple months, and went back and forth on which one to keep. I ultimately sold the GS1000i and felt pretty confident doing so. I think I posted my impressions earlier in this thread. I basically agree with everything 563 posted in the quote, except I didn't hear the GS1000i as having a bigger soundstage. I also do think that the PS1000 images slightly better. At least I found there to be more weight to the images, if not more dimensionality.The PS1000 puts me in the performance better than any headphone I have ever heard. One thing I never felt was that having both of them was an option for me. They are really very similar, and both very expensive. Of course, if money is no object... But I have a hard time imagining anyone seeing them as complementary.


Edited by priest - 10/6/12 at 8:36pm
post #439 of 3422
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I had them both for a couple months, and went back and forth on which one to keep. I ultimately sold the GS1000i and felt pretty confident doing so. I think I posted my impressions earlier in this thread. I basically agree with everything 563 posted in the quote, except I didn't hear the GS1000i as having a bigger soundstage. I also do think that the PS1000 images slightly better. At least I found there to be more weight to the images, if not more dimensionality.The PS1000 puts me in the performance better than any headphone I have ever heard. One thing I never felt was that having both of them was an option for me. They are really very similar, and both very expensive. Of course, if money is no object... But I have a hard time imagining anyone seeing them as complementary.

 

I kind of figured that would be the case re: keeping both. If you went back and forth between them before deciding, then that speaks well of the GS1ks. I'm also glad to know that the PS1ks won out since the price tag is a bit higher. I like this account, cause it means if I really enjoy the GS1ks then there is still a little room to go yet in Grado awesomeness! 

post #440 of 3422

still has the ps1000 on my list of must buys.

 

i can actually afford them now but holding back on any purchases for a while. now that i have gotten used to my T1's sound, i'm gonna have to see if the ps1000 still sound good to me. i love their looks, does anyone know which is the current version? i like the chromes alot..

 

also wanna give the gs1k another listen, i know last time i heard them i really enjoyed them, yet the ps1000 where much more robust and bold in their presentation. more musical and more lively


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 10/7/12 at 12:06am
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Though my GS-1000i gets less listening time than my PS-1000, I just don't have the heart to part with them. I use the GS-1K at my at home work station paired with the Headroom Ultramicro stack and it just sounds great. Not sure why i have my impression of the GS-1000i's soundstage as standing out, This does not mean the PS-1000 is wanting in that respect, just that that isn't the thing I think of first with them. Both image quite well, but if forced to choose, I'd give the edge to the PS-1000. Again, though, you're paying more for them as well. If I had never heard the PS-1000, I would have been plenty happy with just the GS-1000i (and I still am).
Edited by 563 - 10/7/12 at 6:18pm
post #442 of 3422
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Though my GS-1000i gets less air time than my PS-1000, I just don't have the heart to part with them. I use the GS-1K at my at home work station paired with the Headroom Ultramicro stack and it just sounds great. Not sure why i have my impression of the GS-1000i's soundstage as standing out, This does not mean the PS-1000 is wanting in that respect, just that that isn't the thing I think of first with them. Both image quite well, but if forced to choose, I'd give the edge to the PS-1000. Again, though, you're paying more for them as well. If I had never heard the PS-1000, I would have been plenty happy with just the GS-1000i (and I still am).

 

Very cool...have you heard the PS500s at all? If so, how would you say they rank up against the GS1ks? 

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Just some more anecdotal evidence about just how sensitive and source dependent these cans are, I borrowed a Transparent Audio High Performance Powerlink from my dealer a few weeks ago and slapped it on my DAC (Ayre) since I did not have "proper" aftermarket power cable on my DAC.

 

Well I returned it after deciding I did not want to spend $200 on a power cable right now. After a few weeks without it, the relative harshness of the sound coming out of these cans was driving me crazy. So I decided to experiment. I moved my Transparent Power Link Super from my amp (Bryston) to my DAC. This is like a cable from the mid to early 1990s but differs from the HPL that I borrowed because it has several "network" boxes on the cord. it is the only aftermarket audiophile power cord in my collection.

 

Well now all the magic is back and the treble harshness that I was starting to attribute to the phones themselves is GONE, just like the HPL I borrowed. Also, the mids are now less recessed, the whole sound is warmer and more organic and I can listen a LOT louder. I mean some source material was scraping my ears out.

 

What conclusion do I draw from this? I think one of two things. Some people say that some aftermarket power conditioning products are not suitable for amps. The Bryston is a Class A amplifier after all. So the stock cord may be simply be better for the amp. Alternatively, I have long been of the opinion that the best interconnects and power conditioning equipment should go as early in the signal chain as possible and I was not following that rule here by putting my best cord on the amp and not the DAC.

 

In any event a relatively minor change has brought forth a pretty significant change in the sonic signature. I think the problem with these phones is that they are just so revealing that you hear every deficiency upstream so if something is not properly configured, or there is room for improvement you will hear it. But you do get the improvement when you make the right tweaks. 

 

This is the second time in the past two months that a power cord has saved me from regretting these phones. Its like having a $12,000 pair of speakers on your head. They are just too much unless you are willing to go all the way.


Edited by BlackstoneJD - 10/7/12 at 6:36pm
post #444 of 3422
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Originally Posted by BlackstoneJD View Post

Just some more anecdotal evidence about just how sensitive and source dependent these cans are, I borrowed a Transparent Audio High Performance Powerlink from my dealer a few weeks ago and slapped it on my DAC (Ayre) since I did not have "proper" aftermarket power cable on my DAC.

 

Well I returned it after deciding I did not want to spend $200 on a power cable right now. After a few weeks without it, the relative harshness of the sound coming out of these cans was driving me crazy. So I decided to experiment. I moved my Transparent Power Link Super from my amp (Bryston) to my DAC. This is like a cable from the mid to early 1990s but differs from the HPL that I borrowed because it has several "network" boxes on the cord. it is the only aftermarket audiophile power cord in my collection.

 

Well now all the magic is back and the treble harshness that I was starting to attribute to the phones themselves is GONE, just like the HPL I borrowed. Also, the mids are now less recessed, the whole sound is warmer and more organic and I can listen a LOT louder. I mean some source material was scraping my ears out.

 

What conclusion do I draw from this? I think one of two things. Some people say that some aftermarket power conditioning products are not suitable for amps. The Bryston is a Class A amplifier after all. So the stock cord may be simply be better for the amp. Alternatively, I have long been of the opinion that the best interconnects and power conditioning equipment should go as early in the signal chain as possible and I was not following that rule here by putting my best cord on the amp and not the DAC.

 

In any event a relatively minor change has brought forth a pretty significant change in the sonic signature. I think the problem with these phones is that they are just so revealing that you hear every deficiency upstream so if something is not properly configured, or there is room for improvement you will hear it. But you do get the improvement when you make the right tweaks. 

 

This is the second time in the past two months that a power cord has saved me from regretting these phones. Its like having a $12,000 pair of speakers on your head. They are just too much unless you are willing to go all the way.

 

 

That's an area I want to look more into, as well. A few years ago before I moved from my home at the time, I installed a dedicated 20a circuit for my audio gear. It probably wouldn't make much difference for headphones, but this was mainly for my Magnepan speakers, which needs lots of current and available headroom to really sound their best. It cost me about $120 to have my electician install an Oyaide outlet and it was great. The line was absolute dead quiet and I felt like I had all the headroom I needed to really enjoy my speakers. I also felt as if I noticed a difference when I had a previous preamp where the power supply was separated by an  umbillical as opposed to being contained within the same chassis. I have some friends who have done DBX testing with power cords, as well, and there seemed to be significant results with that....enough that I want to look into it further. I'm not going to break the bank for power conditioning, but if there are reasonable solutions that will help, I would be open to it. 

 

Also, you make a great point about how something can often be much more noticeable once it's removed, as opposed to when it's added. I have experienced that sort of thing several times. I remember when I took down about 22 acoutstic panels from my listening room when I moved. The panels allowed the speakers to sound amazing when I added them, but after I had spent a year in that room when I finally took them down and played the speakers, it was SHOCKING how bad it sounded. It was probably at least 2-3x more impressive when I removed them compared to when I added them. 

post #445 of 3422
I've never heard the PS-500, so can't comment. I did hear the PS-1 once and loved them, but those more familiar with the PS-1 seem to be split as to which of the two they prefer. Kind of a moot point though given their unavailability at an affordable price. But man they felt good on the ears and to touch! (Even if some say they're too heavy weight wise.). I loved them for the short time I had them on.

The last couple of posts did remind me that the PS-1000 is source sensitive, or may not be perfect in all set ups. I can't recall what rig they were hooked up to at a meet I went to a couple of years ago, but they sounded awful, thin, scratchy, you name it. Could have been a completely different set of phones had I not known it. Not sure what the real issue was with the cans I heard, source? power conditioning? synergy? Orsimply a bad pair of cans? Whatever it was, with my Cary Xciter tube amp and DAC or the ultramicro stack (solid state) set up, it matches beautifully.
Edited by 563 - 10/8/12 at 12:27am
post #446 of 3422
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That's an area I want to look more into, as well. A few years ago before I moved from my home at the time, I installed a dedicated 20a circuit for my audio gear. It probably wouldn't make much difference for headphones, but this was mainly for my Magnepan speakers, which needs lots of current and available headroom to really sound their best. It cost me about $120 to have my electician install an Oyaide outlet and it was great. The line was absolute dead quiet and I felt like I had all the headroom I needed to really enjoy my speakers. I also felt as if I noticed a difference when I had a previous preamp where the power supply was separated by an  umbillical as opposed to being contained within the same chassis. I have some friends who have done DBX testing with power cords, as well, and there seemed to be significant results with that....enough that I want to look into it further. I'm not going to break the bank for power conditioning, but if there are reasonable solutions that will help, I would be open to it. 

 

Also, you make a great point about how something can often be much more noticeable once it's removed, as opposed to when it's added. I have experienced that sort of thing several times. I remember when I took down about 22 acoutstic panels from my listening room when I moved. The panels allowed the speakers to sound amazing when I added them, but after I had spent a year in that room when I finally took them down and played the speakers, it was SHOCKING how bad it sounded. It was probably at least 2-3x more impressive when I removed them compared to when I added them. 

 

None of the REALLY good solutions are reasonable. The Transparent Premium Power Link is $500 but I consider it like an upgrade to the DAC. That is the one I want eventually. The High Performance Power Link, without the network filter, is $200. The one I borrowed from my dealer they pulled off a $18,000 dCS Puccini in the demo room. THE HPPL is good but it doesn't wow like the ones with the network boxes. I missed it when it was gone. What I have on the DAC now is like the Premium Power Link circa 1998 which my dad gave me when he upgraded. It sucks the life out of amps but it is working miracles on my DAC. I always put my best cables on my DAC based on the theory that the noise rejection should start as early in the signal chain as possible because once it gets into the signal you can't remedy it later on. (I've never really tried putting it on my PC though!)  

 

My dealer seemed to think that the PS1000 was more transparent than the HD800 and they know their stuff and sell both. That is good in the sense that every upgrade should be heard. At some point they will be maxed out but who knows where that point is. Before the power cable change I would have said that the mids were too recessed, the bass was weak and the whole sound was tipped up--a lot like what the Grado detractors say. Now that is just no longer the case. But cable tweaks have ALWAYS had that kind of effect on my speaker setups. I'm getting the same results with the PS1000. These phones have been condemned on these forums by people who probably have issues upstream and didn't like what their phones were telling them about their DAC, cables, power, source material, ect. I've said it before.

 

One day when I get it all sorted out I'll bring it all to a head-fi meet to prove the Grado detractors wrong. ;-)


Edited by BlackstoneJD - 10/8/12 at 11:01pm
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By the way whoever suggested the cable tie as the solution to the slipping drivers is a freaking genius. You cinch the cable tie around the rod post, then slide it off, cinch it one more click and then squeeze it back onto the rod. It works like a freakin charm. Nothing worked. No tape worked. This worked. It is a great. I probably will not order the set screw collars for a while. Since this works so well.

post #448 of 3422
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None of the REALLY good solutions are reasonable. The Transparent Premium Power Link is $500 but I consider it like an upgrade to the DAC. That is the one I want eventually. The High Performance Power Link, without the network filter, is $200. The one I borrowed from my dealer they pulled off a $18,000 dCS Puccini in the demo room. THE HPPL is good but it doesn't wow like the ones with the network boxes. I missed it when it was gone. What I have on the DAC now is like the Premium Power Link circa 1998 which my dad gave me when he upgraded. It sucks the life out of amps but it is working miracles on my DAC. I always put my best cables on my DAC based on the theory that the noise rejection should start as early in the signal chain as possible because once it gets into the signal you can't remedy it later on. (I've never really tried putting it on my PC though!)  

 

My dealer seemed to think that the PS1000 was more transparent than the HD800 and they know their stuff and sell both. That is good in the sense that every upgrade should be heard. At some point they will be maxed out but who knows where that point is. Before the power cable change I would have said that the mids were too recessed, the bass was weak and the whole sound was tipped up--a lot like what the Grado detractors say. Now that is just no longer the case. But cable tweaks have ALWAYS had that kind of effect on my speaker setups. I'm getting the same results with the PS1000. These phones have been condemned on these forums by people who probably have issues upstream and didn't like what their phones were telling them about their DAC, cables, power, source material, ect. I've said it before.

 

One day when I get it all sorted out I'll bring it all to a head-fi meet to prove the Grado detractors wrong. ;-)

 

 

have you ever considered getting off the grid and going with some nicer battery powered gear? it's a bit pricey for me right now, but I've heard amazing things about the Red Wine Audio products. I think Im pretty lucky where i live in that the power is relatively clean, but Im really glad you brought this stuff up cause I definitely agree that it's a variable that needs to be addresed. And although I've not heard either phone, it wouldn't surprise me if the PS1ks were more transparent than the 800s. Even the 80s came off to me as a pretty transparent headphone from the first time I listened to it....same with my PS500s. I think this is one of the reasons why it can be a good idea to amp the lower end grados in addition to the higher end ones, cause improvements in the signal path will be rewarded and the Grados will scale up....even if the amp is well matched and has plenty of juice to drive them, the cleaner things are upstream the cleaner they'll be downstream. 

 

If you ever do "wow" a detractor, I hope I get to hear about it! lol

post #449 of 3422
I use the battery powered Black Pearl headphone amp in most situations. The midrange is like fresh butter, smooth and tasty, with no harshness. However I feel no loss when swithching to the Sonic Pearl with its dual stage discrete PSU. The power supply of all components is important. I noticed improvement after replacing the cords in the power bar and the CD player. Everything is audible on the PS1000, even the phase on the right pin matters. I use pretty generic solid core copper wires for this purpose and it works best. No fancy, thick and soft audiophile snakes. These decreased dynamics and liveliness in most cases.

I have the HD800 and the K1000 on loan right now due to recabling job for the K1000 owner. When I use the AKG as the reference point, as I can put it on without switching or re-connecting anything, the PS1000 are more transparent than the HD800. These have more of added flavor and their own atmosphere and it becomes obvious that the differencesin over quality between the HD800 and the K1000 are subtantial while between the K1000 and the PS1000 it's more of the different frames for the same things. I would even say that since the last time when I compared the two, the distance decreased, most probably due to quality progress in the headphone amp. I tried the K1000 both from the headphone amp and the power amp added to the preamp output and refer to the whole collected picture of them.
Edited by majkel - 10/9/12 at 1:48am
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Just wanted to follow up on my original post, where I asked what amp to get to take these headphones to the next level.  I ended snagging a Bryston BHA1 from another head-fier.  I've been listening to it for the last couple days and I cannot wipe the smile off of my face.  All the things I love about these headphones are just, well, amplified. (lol, I couldn't resist.)  The detailed highs are more detailed; the full and engaging mids and bass are more full and engaging; the space and openness is greater than it has ever been; the textures are that much more palpable.

 

I was using a M-stage with the bias opamp modification, and for the price that unit sounds great.  But this is a whole different level.  I don't have a breadth of experience with other amps in this range, so I can't do any direct comparisons.  But I can tell you that the Bryston sounds incredible with these headphones.  

 

Now back to listening and grinning stupidly...

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