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post #361 of 1114

Indeed Gradofan2, they sound very life like.

 

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Originally Posted by sferic View Post

SHHHHHHHH! Those HD800 people are insane! I'm afraid for you, we're going to have to put you in the PS1000 witness protection program.

 

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Originally Posted by priest View Post

I think beng a PS1000 appreciator is enough of an exile that a witness protection program is unnecessary.

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I've had these for a year or two now and continue to be enamored of them.

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I appreciate mine more and more for every day, it doesn't seem to stop. Also had them for over a year now.

 

Cheers!

post #362 of 1114

A truly classic headphone in my view, and quibbles about tonal imperfections and form factor only give it character and add to its allure in my book. If you want the PS1000 magic, you have to take the whole package, tiny warts and all. Grado has always seemed like an uncompromising company. They are going to make the headphones that sound good to the Grado family. If you want to sell them, you must sell the entire line. And if you want to listen to them, then you must (a) pay the price and (b) take the entire package -- retro styling, comfort issues, tonal character, and all. Plus, they have an award-winning headphone for all budgets. It actually seems honorable to me, even if a little prickly. The only other headphone company I am aware of that takes that purist, artisanal approach is Audeze, although they obviously have a different ethos.

 

I've changed things up in the last few days and switched to the T1, which is also a phenomenal headphone by any account. More balanced tonally than the PS1000 to my ears, but without the soundstage, and a little more two dimensional in its presentation. You don't get that sense of being inside the performance (rather than just the recording) that the PS1000 gives. I don't have any idea how Grado did that, but it's unlike any other headphone I have heard in that regard. The HD 800 has, if anything, I think a larger soundstage than the PS1000, and greatly impressed me, but still didn't give that sense I am talking about, which cannot be measured, but can surely be apprehended.

post #363 of 1114

Another four hour listening session. Absolutely unreal. Finally I get to hear how good the Ayre really is. I could never play it loud enough on the speakers to get the full effect and the room I have is not treated properly.

 

I end up listening to old audiophile favorites that I haven't pulled out in years and it is like hearing it for the first time. And I listen to the entire album--which I just have not done in a long time. Weird stuff like gypsy guitar with a million instruments going on and slamming nylon strings (ever heard Strunz and Farah?) You can hear little birdies tweeting and obscure percussion that just never came through before. Then you switch to Aretha Franklin and there is just a little more twang on the guitar, a little more warble on the guitar amp tremolo, or something that makes you grin.

 

Yes the Grado does suck you into the performance. There is a quite a bit a talk about measurements on these forums and looking at the charts and seeing the curves I can't for the life of me match those measurements to the what I heard when I auditioned the two headphones. I mean the peaks and what not make sense to me, but the idea that the Sennheiser is the more transparent headphone or better headphone or more "accurate" is just absurd based on my experience. Or perhaps I was just a grado fan all along and just like that sound all along and never knew it? In any event I like their solution even if it is perhaps not the most polite.

 

Thankfully I have no dimmer switches in this building but I think the AC cables on the DAC and amp could use some beefing up to get the noise floor a little lower. There is a high performance power link by Transparent that I may investigate as it is relatively inexpensive. If there is any merit to it I will absolutely hear it on these phones. 

 

They get so little attention on the forum that I almost missed them. A little bird mentioned he had a pair so I went to my dealer to investigate. I probably would have ended up with the HD800 otherwise.


Edited by BlackstoneJD - 8/27/12 at 11:18pm
post #364 of 1114

Man, you're really getting me fired up about the 1ks again...if only my bank account would get back to normal so I can get some more toys! lol  

 

I know exactly what you mean about how the graphs just don't match up to what you're hearing and experiencing...for whatever reason the Grados have just connected with me since the first time I fired up my 80s. Now with the 500s, there is just something about them that transports me back to when I was spending a lot of time around a live orchestra. I was engaged a while back to a girl who was a classically trained opera singer, so for a couple years I got a huge dose of natural timbre of instruments and vocals...top of the line instruments from the Eastman School in Rochester NY, played by some of the top musicians in the country. No microphones or amplification, just the pure, natural tones...truly beautiful. That's where I find Grados more accurate than any other headphones I've heard. It's pretty uncanny. It offers you a more organic and immersive experience. 

post #365 of 1114
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Originally Posted by priest View Post

A truly classic headphone in my view, and quibbles about tonal imperfections and form factor only give it character and add to its allure in my book. If you want the PS1000 magic, you have to take the whole package, tiny warts and all. Grado has always seemed like an uncompromising company. They are going to make the headphones that sound good to the Grado family. If you want to sell them, you must sell the entire line. And if you want to listen to them, then you must (a) pay the price and (b) take the entire package -- retro styling, comfort issues, tonal character, and all. Plus, they have an award-winning headphone for all budgets. It actually seems honorable to me, even if a little prickly. The only other headphone company I am aware of that takes that purist, artisanal approach is Audeze, although they obviously have a different ethos.

 

I've changed things up in the last few days and switched to the T1, which is also a phenomenal headphone by any account. More balanced tonally than the PS1000 to my ears, but without the soundstage, and a little more two dimensional in its presentation. You don't get that sense of being inside the performance (rather than just the recording) that the PS1000 gives. I don't have any idea how Grado did that, but it's unlike any other headphone I have heard in that regard. The HD 800 has, if anything, I think a larger soundstage than the PS1000, and greatly impressed me, but still didn't give that sense I am talking about, which cannot be measured, but can surely be apprehended.

 

this is eerily similar to my own sentiments. smile.gif

post #366 of 1114

Okay, okay - I love hearing this, if only to vindicate (though no vindication is necessary), my early adopter purchase.  I only wish John G would be so kind as to re-release the PS-1 - oh that would make me happy (I know, there are some - like my pal Paul - who would say I've got it all now with my PS-1000, but still ... :))

 

Here's something I'm interested in - has anyone ever compared the sound of the early PS-1000s (like mine, number 261 or something like that) with the current PS-1000s?   The reason I ask, again, is because I'm amazed how long it took for these cans to get 'discovered.'

post #367 of 1114

With all the praise for the PS1000's... which are truly phenomenal... we tend to forget the PS500's... and... the venerable, RS-1's, which sound very, very similar to the PS1000's with the right set up - some might even say they sound better.  

post #368 of 1114
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Originally Posted by BlackstoneJD View Post

Another four hour listening session. Absolutely unreal. Finally I get to hear how good the Ayre really is. I could never play it loud enough on the speakers to get the full effect and the room I have is not treated properly.

 

I end up listening to old audiophile favorites that I haven't pulled out in years and it is like hearing it for the first time. And I listen to the entire album--which I just have not done in a long time. Weird stuff like gypsy guitar with a million instruments going on and slamming nylon strings (ever heard Strunz and Farah?) You can hear little birdies tweeting and obscure percussion that just never came through before. Then you switch to Aretha Franklin and there is just a little more twang on the guitar, a little more warble on the guitar amp tremolo, or something that makes you grin.

 

Yes the Grado does suck you into the performance. There is a quite a bit a talk about measurements on these forums and looking at the charts and seeing the curves I can't for the life of me match those measurements to the what I heard when I auditioned the two headphones. I mean the peaks and what not make sense to me, but the idea that the Sennheiser is the more transparent headphone or better headphone or more "accurate" is just absurd based on my experience. Or perhaps I was just a grado fan all along and just like that sound all along and never knew it? In any event I like their solution even if it is perhaps not the most polite.

 

Thankfully I have no dimmer switches in this building but I think the AC cables on the DAC and amp could use some beefing up to get the noise floor a little lower. There is a high performance power link by Transparent that I may investigate as it is relatively inexpensive. If there is any merit to it I will absolutely hear it on these phones. 

 

They get so little attention on the forum that I almost missed them. A little bird mentioned he had a pair so I went to my dealer to investigate. I probably would have ended up with the HD800 otherwise.

 

Graphs and measurements do tell us something about headphones,but what they can't tell us is if the 'marriage' with our (very different sounding) systems will be a good one.

post #369 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

With all the praise for the PS1000's... which are truly phenomenal... we tend to forget the PS500's... and... the venerable, RS-1's, which sound very, very similar to the PS1000's with the right set up - some might even say they sound better.  


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when PS-1000 pair with wrong setup,

 

Ofcause the PS500 or RS1i will sound better.

post #370 of 1114
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Originally Posted by 563 View Post
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Here's something I'm interested in - has anyone ever compared the sound of the early PS-1000s (like mine, number 261 or something like that) with the current PS-1000s?   The reason I ask, again, is because I'm amazed how long it took for these cans to get 'discovered.'

Haven't read any comparisons like that, although according to Grado the only difference is the finnish on the cups, which shouldn't, in my opinion, affect the sound.

 

I believe that the PS-1000's aren't consider to be that extremely expensive nowadays, which has lead to less bashing and more love.

 

 

Cheers!

post #371 of 1114
Are there any PS1000 owners that run it from GS-1?
post #372 of 1114
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Originally Posted by lovleylady View Post

 

I believe that the PS-1000's aren't consider to be that extremely expensive nowadays, which has lead to less bashing and more love. 

 

That, and the haters were so vocal in the early days that it's taken this long for the reality of the PS1000 to triumph over the prejudice.

post #373 of 1114

One thing that delights me to no end is the realization that most of the time I am only getting around 30% of the full power of my PS-1000s, and am still in awe of them. I'm far from home, so my setup is MacBook Pro > NuForce uDac 2 > PS-1000s. I have these headphones on 8 hours a day.

 

But when I get home for my breaks, I plug the Grado's into a Woo Audio 6-SE, with an older Krell CD player as source, and the performance jumps another level (or two). The sound is so clean, the imaging so pinpoint, the background so black, it takes some getting used to: I think it short-circuits my brain, that a 'reality' could be simulated so convincingly.

 

And I know that the Grado's are capable of an even more high end experience from what I am getting. Throw a W4S or Bryson DAC in the mix, higher res source, etc. Meow.

 

OK. There's the quarterly gush. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

post #374 of 1114
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Originally Posted by sunmonkey View Post

One thing that delights me to no end is the realization that most of the time I am only getting around 30% of the full power of my PS-1000s, and am still in awe of them. I'm far from home, so my setup is MacBook Pro > NuForce uDac 2 > PS-1000s. I have these headphones on 8 hours a day.

 

But when I get home for my breaks, I plug the Grado's into a Woo Audio 6-SE, with an older Krell CD player as source, and the performance jumps another level (or two). The sound is so clean, the imaging so pinpoint, the background so black, it takes some getting used to: I think it short-circuits my brain, that a 'reality' could be simulated so convincingly.

 

And I know that the Grado's are capable of an even more high end experience from what I am getting. Throw a W4S or Bryson DAC in the mix, higher res source, etc. Meow.

 

OK. There's the quarterly gush. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

 

lol@meow....

 

Do you have experience with other Grados that you could compare the PS1ks to? 

post #375 of 1114
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Do you have experience with other Grados that you could compare the PS1ks to? 

 

Hi Focker:

 

I have the Grado 325is in chrome. I guess I like me the metal.

 

The 325is might be too far down the line to do a fair comparison with the PS1Ks. Some of the more obvious: the PS1Ks have oodles more bass, are flatter across the range, image better, and have more detail. I guess those points are what you'd expect from a top-of-the-line pair of phones relative to a lower-mid-level pair from the same manufacturer.

 

To answer from the other direction: I find myself reaching for the 325is when I want to to listen to acoustic guitar or really want to sink into percussion (drums). There is something about the 325is midrange-upper mids that is crispy crunchy. That seems to play really well with the sharp attacks of a snare hit, or a string being plucked. Those types of sounds come out sounding very rich.  I'll also go for the 325is when mobility or weight is a factor. The PS1Ks are a comfier fit, but the weight over a long haul is like having a bag of flour balancing on your head. You feel it after a few hours.

 

I think a fairer comparison would be to put the PS1Ks up against the RS1i, or the PS500, since those are starting to converge on the PS1K in terms of dynamics of driver, and in the case of the PS500, in materials and construction. But I have no exposure to those two. Hopefully someone else might offer up an opinion.

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