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post #1021 of 1135

Like I said M.H. all else being equal, they're has to be an easily audible difference in how a 40mm driver sounds vs a 50mm driver. The thing is, soundwise, I love everything about my PS1000, but I'm keeping an opend mind about this. Nexy monday, I'm going to start making phone calls in the hope of finding a dealer that has them.

post #1022 of 1135
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post
 

Like I said M.H. all else being equal, they're has to be an easily audible difference in how a 40mm driver sounds vs a 50mm driver. The thing is, soundwise, I love everything about my PS1000, but I'm keeping an opend mind about this. Nexy monday, I'm going to start making phone calls in the hope of finding a dealer that has them.

 

Actually, I think I got the first pair in Canada. :smile: Good luck...please report back. 

post #1023 of 1135
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

 

 

 

Actually I found the differences from the "i" to the "e" greater than from the originals to the "i". Not night and day, but a bit more...could be the newer/larger drivers? 

Actually I owned this combination and loved it. That said, I used a very clean sounding Sylvania black plate triple mica power tube with the T1s exclusively. 

My apologies to MacedonianHero 

 

I made a mistake.  I was thinking of a different pair of heaphones while talking about the "Tesla" T1.  Those names are starting to blend together.

 

You are quite right.  The T1 has a similar voicing as the PS1000 so I recall that the MAD EAR+ HD worked well with these cans.  

I ended up selling the T1 because I like transparency a lot and the T1, unlike the PS1000,  was not the last word in that area, which the MAD Ear was not able to improve sufficiently.

 

Cheers!

PS:  A man with only one pair of headphones may know what music sound like, a man with many pairs is always unsure :-)  

post #1024 of 1135
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post
 

My apologies to MacedonianHero 

 

I made a mistake.  I was thinking of a different pair of heaphones while talking about the "Tesla" T1.  Those names are starting to blend together.

 

You are quite right.  The T1 has a similar voicing as the PS1000 so I recall that the MAD EAR+ HD worked well with these cans.  

I ended up selling the T1 because I like transparency a lot and the T1, unlike the PS1000,  was not the last word in that area, which the MAD Ear was not able to improve sufficiently.

 

Cheers!

PS:  A man with only one pair of headphones may know what music sound like, a man with many pairs is always unsure :-)  

Good point. :smile:

post #1025 of 1135

I know this is the wrong thread for this, but I kind of put my Grado GS1000i in the same camp as my HD800s, as they have extended but un-distorted highs and upper mids that are clear and evident but fine with appropriate upstream eqpt.

But I like the Grados better, as they are easier to get right and the sound seems smoother and the HD800s give a back-of-the-mind sense of abrasiveness sometime.

My GS1K sounds great (in that can't-stop-listening-way) with my Hugo/Rudistor-amp setup. 

System photos I posted today if anyone is curious (scroll down to post 6115):

head-fi.org/t/702787/chord-hugo/6115


Edited by rgs9200m - 7/5/14 at 10:40am
post #1026 of 1135
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Well..I've had my PS1000e headphones for a few days now and I was able to A-B them to my (now sold) PS1000s and here are some of my findings:

 

Physical Differences:

Not much to report here. The drivers are red and 50mm in the PS1000e and the cable is thicker (12 conductors vs. 8). Oh and the new models state "PS1000e" :p. Beyond that, I can't really find any differences. For a full listing of the changes, I'll simply refer you to the Grado website:

 

http://www.gradolabs.com/headphones/professional-series/item/23-ps1000e

 

PS1000 on the left and PS1000e on the right

 

Now onto the important stuff...how do they compare sonically...

 

Well, the PS1000e's have retained the classic Grado sound and they just rock! As well, they are voiced very closely to each other. Right off the bat, you'll notice that the PS1000e are slightly more efficient (99.8dB vs 98dB), so you'll have to turn down your volume knob a wee bit with the newer Grados to volume match. 

 

Some of my test tracks used:

Led Zeppelin I, II, III (new 2014 remasters)

Perfect Circle: Thirteenth Step

Pink Floyd DSoTM and WYWH (2011 remasters)

U2 Joshua Tree

 

Setup used:

CDs played through my Cambridge Audio CDP --> Bryston BDA-2 DAC --> GS-X Mk2

 

As I mentioned, both headphones sound like PS1000s, but the new "e" versions have bass that seems a bit more controlled and goes down a bit deeper. One thing that has limited Grados has been their sub-bass performance; especially when I compare them to the Audeze headphones I have on hand (LCD-X and LCD-XC), but the newer PS1000e's do an admirable job. Again, the differences between these and the original PS1000s are not night and day in this department, but during my frequency sweeps, I was happily surprised by the PS1000e's performance down low. 

 

The mids are classic Grado, yes there's a bit of a "U" with these headphones (like the PS1000s and RS1/RS1is), but the music just flows from these headphones and I can't stop smiling. :smile:

 

The treble on both the PS1000 and PS1000e was very similarly voiced to my ears and sometimes very difficult to tell the differences. So it's very hard for me to comment further on these differences. But all I can say is that the treble can be a bit much if your amp/dac/source/music is tilted that way. It's kept me away from these headphones for quite some time. Then I got to hear them in my home on my setup and all I can say is that is definitely no longer the case.

 

One area that was a bit more of a profound change was the sound staging. I was surprised to immediately hear the very good imaging capabilities of the PS1000e's. They are very expansive when called for with some orchestral music I used, but when needed with some Zeppelin or Sabbath, they were still upfront and just rocked! The PS1000s offer a very good amount of sound staging, but the PS1000e's have kicked this up a notch and aren't too far behind my HD800s in that regard.

 

Both the PS1000 and PS1000e are fantastic headphones and worthy flagships for the company. I'm pleased to see Grado continue to improve their product offerings with the new "e"nhancements. 

great to read your commentary as always!

I never got a pair of 1000s because, to me, the classic Grado mids - as you said - were splendid, but they lacked that oomph I need in the bass.

So I think I'm gonna give the e's a try!

 

Bob Levi said they were better in "every way" but I heard em for a just a few moments and the bass was the only striking difference to me.

 

right on

post #1027 of 1135

PS1000 is a great headphone, but nor really has balance of sound. You need to do a lot with the source and amps, and to try to make the sound not "harsh". It's not like other grados witch have attractive mids, the Ps1000s emphasis the treble and bass much more, so be careful with that before you purchase it.  

And another important thing is that it's really HEAVY! Killing my neck after wear it for 40 minutes. 

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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post
 

great to read your commentary as always!

I never got a pair of 1000s because, to me, the classic Grado mids - as you said - were splendid, but they lacked that oomph I need in the bass.

So I think I'm gonna give the e's a try!

 

Bob Levi said they were better in "every way" but I heard em for a just a few moments and the bass was the only striking difference to me.

 

right on

Thanks Mike! Actually the 1000e's have improved in the mids...a bit more like the RS1i.

 

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Originally Posted by Edinburgh View Post
 

PS1000 is a great headphone, but nor really has balance of sound. You need to do a lot with the source and amps, and to try to make the sound not "harsh". It's not like other grados witch have attractive mids, the Ps1000s emphasis the treble and bass much more, so be careful with that before you purchase it.  

And another important thing is that it's really HEAVY! Killing my neck after wear it for 40 minutes. 

Actually I'm running a GS-X Mk2 / BDA-2; about as neutral as I've heard and I really like both the PS1000 and PS1000e with that setup. Funny, with many other setups (including the MAD Ear+HD), I wasn't as big a fan.

post #1029 of 1135
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Thanks Mike! Actually the 1000e's have improved in the mids...a bit more like the RS1i.

 

Actually I'm running a GS-X Mk2 / BDA-2; about as neutral as I've heard and I really like both the PS1000 and PS1000e with that setup. Funny, with many other setups (including the MAD Ear+HD), I wasn't as big a fan.

That sounds great! I haven't try this setup, hope will get a chance to listen to them. I actually didn't find any setup makes me really happy with Ps1000. 

post #1030 of 1135
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That sounds great! I haven't try this setup, hope will get a chance to listen to them. I actually didn't find any setup makes me really happy with Ps1000. 

From my personal experience, instead of using an amp with reduced bass and treble such as the MAD Ear+ HD, which I found to be very successful and inexpensive, you can also go the route of amps with ultra-clean trebles and tight bass. I found four, the HeadAmp GS-X Mk2, the Bakoon HA-21, the Woo WA 5 and the EAR HP-4, but I am sure there are more. You may find that your PS1000 is capable of being eminently musical if not completely neutral.
post #1031 of 1135
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post


From my personal experience, instead of using an amp with reduced bass and treble such as the MAD Ear+ HD, which I found to be very successful and inexpensive, you can also go the route of amps with ultra-clean trebles and tight bass. I found four, the HeadAmp GS-X Mk2, the Bakoon HA-21, the Woo WA 5 and the EAR HP-4, but I am sure there are more. You may find that your PS1000 is capable of being eminently musical if not completely neutral.

 

 

:beerchug:

post #1032 of 1135
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post


From my personal experience, instead of using an amp with reduced bass and treble such as the MAD Ear+ HD, which I found to be very successful and inexpensive, you can also go the route of amps with ultra-clean trebles and tight bass. I found four, the HeadAmp GS-X Mk2, the Bakoon HA-21, the Woo WA 5 and the EAR HP-4, but I am sure there are more. You may find that your PS1000 is capable of being eminently musical if not completely neutral.

Thank you so much!

I actually don't have a ps1000 anymore. But still like it pretty much, I will look for some chances to try the amps you recommended and probably to buy a PS1000 back!

post #1033 of 1135
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Thanks Mike! Actually the 1000e's have improved in the mids...a bit more like the RS1i.

 

Actually I'm running a GS-X Mk2 / BDA-2; about as neutral as I've heard and I really like both the PS1000 and PS1000e with that setup. Funny, with many other setups (including the MAD Ear+HD), I wasn't as big a fan.

that's MUSIC to my ears!

 

Time to give Jon Grado a call!!!!

 

was rockin' my 325is and thought  - Hmmmmm, I think I'm gonna dig the new 1000e cuz of your comments!!

 

post #1034 of 1135

crosspost from Grado fan club thread.

 

early impressions of PS1000 (older serial around 1000)

 

The PS1000 is in the house. First impressions from the MAD Ear+ (stock tubes for now. also, DAC is Emotiva DC-1)

 

It’s beautiful.

 

I must admit I was nervous when it was on its way that the experience would be closer to my previous time with this headphone (on Soloist) where I found the treble a little too much, but this is not the case in my current setup.

 

It sound fantastic. and I’m trying out some music that I thought would possibly lay bare any treble harshness. 

 

1. AC/DC’s "Long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll". around 2 minutes in and for the next 30 seconds or so, then more fun times at 4 minutes in. this can be painful on some headphones I’ve owned.

2. Camille Saint-Saens "Violin Concerto 1 in A minor”. yeah, big shift from AC/DC, but the violin is occasionally biting and aggressive, but in a good way. The PS1000 doesn’t hit you over the head with it, as I was worried it could.

 

No issues from either of those, plus my other test tracks of poorly mastered stuff with sibilance. phew! And good stuff sounds really, really good.

 

The heightened treble (compared to darker headphones) shows itself as increased splashiness with cymbals but there’s no piercing, panful reproduction with them. And other instruments that play in the high frequencies - but not as high as cymbals - sound just great. 

 

Everything else is exactly how I expected them to be, based on my previous time with them. Wonderfully flat midrange, no glare with female vocals. great details and subtlety with all instruments. Soundstage is much larger than the RS1, of course, but not spread out (or as precise) as the HD800. It’s in the middle and that works best with most of my music.

 

Bass doesn’t extend like an Audeze down to 20 hz, but is good enough for most music (decent extension down to around 50 Hz) and that big, meaty hump at 100 Hz adds life to a lot of music. I’ll take it, yessir.

 

Now I’m gonna listen to a bunch of great music till I need to make supper.

post #1035 of 1135
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post
 

crosspost from Grado fan club thread.

 

early impressions of PS1000 (older serial around 1000)

 

The PS1000 is in the house. First impressions from the MAD Ear+ (stock tubes for now. also, DAC is Emotiva DC-1)

 

It’s beautiful.

 

I must admit I was nervous when it was on its way that the experience would be closer to my previous time with this headphone (on Soloist) where I found the treble a little too much, but this is not the case in my current setup.

 

It sound fantastic. and I’m trying out some music that I thought would possibly lay bare any treble harshness. 

 

1. AC/DC’s "Long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll". around 2 minutes in and for the next 30 seconds or so, then more fun times at 4 minutes in. this can be painful on some headphones I’ve owned.

2. Camille Saint-Saens "Violin Concerto 1 in A minor”. yeah, big shift from AC/DC, but the violin is occasionally biting and aggressive, but in a good way. The PS1000 doesn’t hit you over the head with it, as I was worried it could.

 

No issues from either of those, plus my other test tracks of poorly mastered stuff with sibilance. phew! And good stuff sounds really, really good.

 

The heightened treble (compared to darker headphones) shows itself as increased splashiness with cymbals but there’s no piercing, panful reproduction with them. And other instruments that play in the high frequencies - but not as high as cymbals - sound just great. 

 

Everything else is exactly how I expected them to be, based on my previous time with them. Wonderfully flat midrange, no glare with female vocals. great details and subtlety with all instruments. Soundstage is much larger than the RS1, of course, but not spread out (or as precise) as the HD800. It’s in the middle and that works best with most of my music.

 

Bass doesn’t extend like an Audeze down to 20 hz, but is good enough for most music (decent extension down to around 50 Hz) and that big, meaty hump at 100 Hz adds life to a lot of music. I’ll take it, yessir.

 

Now I’m gonna listen to a bunch of great music till I need to make supper.


i really liked the ps1k with the mad ear, in fact, i kinda with i had it now, instead of the lcd x, but, its pretty great too

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