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Originally Posted by jazzfish View Post

I'm experiencing some of this 'harshness' with the EQ7 .I'v used them for about 10 times and my gripe is this harshness and the relative lack of bass definition and bass drum kick. I'm letting them burn in now to see if things improve. It's strange cos I felt very good about them after trying a sample pair in a store. In fact, my new HF5 feels bassier.  But maybe that's due to the EQ7's current 'harshness' /'brightness' that overpowers other sound elements. Bought from Musica Acoustic as well. We shall see...    


e-Q7 and brightness/harshness? Doesn't sound right to me. The e-Q7's signature is slightly warm and mid-centric, with laid-back highs and a slight lower end emphasis. From the description, something sounds off... I'd RMA them. blink.gif

post #647 of 978
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Originally Posted by jazzfish View Post

I'm experiencing some of this 'harshness' with the EQ7 .I'v used them for about 10 times and my gripe is this harshness and the relative lack of bass definition and bass drum kick. I'm letting them burn in now to see if things improve. It's strange cos I felt very good about them after trying a sample pair in a store. In fact, my new HF5 feels bassier.  But maybe that's due to the EQ7's current 'harshness' /'brightness' that overpowers other sound elements. Bought from Musica Acoustic as well. We shall see...    


Have you tried replacing the filters?

 

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Thanks for the comments. I'll email Dimitri to see what are my options. seems like a bit of trouble to return. But I'll give them another shot after the burn in. 

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Ha, I ended up emailing Dmitri as well. I'm considering upgrading to the e-Q7's as hopefully their more mid-centric sound will fix my issues either way.

 

To anyone who's had experience with both the e-Q5's and e-Q7's: is the difference in sound signature enough to help solve my potential harshness issue, or would I just be throwing good money after bad?

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Originally Posted by Slow Show View Post

To anyone who's had experience with both the e-Q5's and e-Q7's: is the difference in sound signature enough to help solve my potential harshness issue, or would I just be throwing good money after bad?


Indeed, it's enough, especially where potential harshness is of concern.

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Originally Posted by jazzfish View Post

Thanks for the comments. I'll email Dimitri to see what are my options. seems like a bit of trouble to return. But I'll give them another shot after the burn in. 



Try some genuine sony hybrids. They were too hot for me also until I changed tips.

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Try some comply Foam tip. It should reduce the harshness. I personally use the small silicone tip that came with them and loved them. Just a well balanced FR.

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Originally Posted by Slow Show View Post

Ha, I ended up emailing Dmitri as well. I'm considering upgrading to the e-Q7's as hopefully their more mid-centric sound will fix my issues either way.

 

To anyone who's had experience with both the e-Q5's and e-Q7's: is the difference in sound signature enough to help solve my potential harshness issue, or would I just be throwing good money after bad?



 

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IME all moving armatures have a very slight coarseness in treble, that may well be perceived as harshness if you're sensitive to it. Genuine Sony Hybrids can improve that by a certain degree. As an alternative the Final Audio Heaven A and C sound quite similar, but with a slightly rounder and smooter note.

As for bass, the Ortofons should have very good definition.
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imo , comply tips SUCK BIG TIME

 

worse tips in any iem i have tried them

 

i found the LARGE fake sony hybrid tips to get some sibilance off

 

maybe they will do the same to you

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As with any other tips, Comply's have their advantages and disadvantages. On the plus side, they're extremely comfortable, and can be used to tame the highs where harshness is perceived. On the other hand, the fact that they tame the highs isn't always desirable of course, and they also must be replaced far too often, and don't last too long, especially when compared to the Shure olives. I must admit, however, I almost always resort to the olives over the Comply's, as the former don't have nearly as much an affect on the high end, and are just as comfortable in my case.

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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

The fact that they tame the highs isn't always desirable of course, and they also must be replaced far too often, and don't last too long, especially when compared to the Shure olives. I must admit, however, I almost always resort to the olives over the Comply's, as the former don't have nearly as much an affect on the high end, and are just as comfortable in my case.


+1. That's why I stick to Olives. I bought 4 of them long back (at least 18 months, if not more). I have (irregularly of course) used only two of them - one de-cored and the other as-is.

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Originally Posted by proedros View Post

imo , comply tips SUCK BIG TIME

 

worse tips in any iem i have tried them


This is a pretty large overstatement and typical example of disinformation.

You didn't like the specific Comply tips that you tried on your IEMs, period, please don't generalize. wink.gif

 

Other people find them very convenient for their needs.

I personnaly tried Comply T100/T400/Ts400/Ts500 on various IEMs and had the most diverse results, from very good to very bad.

 

A few conclusions:

 

* they modify the sound heavily only when the tips extend much further than the nozzle extremity, which most people want to avoid. In that regard, Ts series may be better since they are shorter than the regular T series, but it really depends on the nozzles. Shure SE nozzles are very long for example; while nozzles on my FX700 or IE8 are shorter. There are examples in these forums of people having slightly shortened Comply foams to match the nozzle length, with success.

 

* they are nearly the only tips usable for people with very large canal ears (medium size is enough). I have yet to find silicon tips giving me a good fit with my IE8, whereas Ts400/500 medium size gave a perfect fit and decent isolation. Large Sony hybrid tips are too small for me, despite their obvious qualities.

 

* Medium-size Comply foams are actually equivalent to large silicon tips, while most people should actually use small size for small/average ear canals. Even I can't use the large size, they're way too broad and long. I can insert the large size, but since they will be highly compressed, comfort is not so good and they break faster.

 

* contrary to popular beliefs, Comply foams CAN be washed and reused, unless you have mechanically destroyed them. Washing cycle (tested): soak the tips in warm water containing some liquid baby soap for 20 minutes (press a few times to soak liquid in), rince with clear warm water (same, press a few times), roll the tips on absorbing paper, let them dry for a day on aborbing paper, and they come out clean from earwax and dust. Also works with Shure foam tips by the way.

 

* I have been using the same pair of foams on my FX700 for a year and with my IE8 for 4 months, they were just washed twice to make them clean. And they still compress nicely and bear no crack/tearing. Probably because I'm using the right size (remember, medium Comply = large silicone).

 

So don't condemn Comply foams based on a few trials. With the right size/series, they can be very good.

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Originally Posted by Slow Show View Post

Hey guys, I was wondering if you could help me out with some potential issues with my e-Q5's. I picked them up back in October and was for the most part blown away by them, but I found there was quite a bit of sibilence/harshness in the highs (much moreso than any of the impressions I've read seemed to indicate; I listen to a healthy mix of rock, hip-hop and electronica and it seems a solid 25-33% of my collection is affected, with another 25% or so sounding like it's right on the verge of harshness).

 

I figured some burn-in and Sony hybrids would help, but after three months of solid use and trying every tip/insertion combination I could think of (I'm running them straight from a 1st gen Zune at low volume, so I don't think it's a source issue), and while they helped to a degree I'm still getting quite a bit of harshness. Is this something I should be shipping off to Ortofon/Musica Acoustics to be repaired/replaced, or is it just a case of me being sensitive to the harshness people like Inks and goodvibes were talking about earlier (for what it's worth I also have some Koss Portapros, Grado SR-60s and Sleek Audio SA6s with treble+ filters and have never had any issues with harshness those through the same set-up with any of those)?


I'm had a similar experience: I had terrible treble harshness on mine, regardless of fit and tips. It was so pronounced I found myself wincing - not good. 

 

It doesn't help that I have the distortion issue of IOS 5 with my iPhone and iPad (which overdrives the sound unless you dial it down with the EQ), but I've recently upgraded to Westone 3s and that harshness has evaporated. 

 

Hence to say my e-Q5s are now in the for sale forum. Not to say they aren't good, but obviously not for me/my DAP/fit &c.

 

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I'm surprised to hear of the few accounts of harshness associated with the e-Q5. I don't hear them that way at all, and trust me when I say, I am NOT a fan of harsh highs. It's for that very reason I simply couldn't tolerate both the DBA/CK10. This was never the case with the e-Q5, however. To quote |joker|'s review:

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Compared to that of the e-Q7, the treble of the e-Q5 is more extended and more energetic, making the whole signature lightweight and airy. It is more forward than with the e-Q7 but still retains the softness and refinement of the midrange. Minimal sibilance is noticeable with a handful of tracks but for the most part it is free of any grain or harshness. Detail and clarity are very impressive and there is a fair amount of sparkle to be found. The presentation is altogether not too different from that of the e-Q7 - the air added by the treble definitely plays a role but even with a more e-Q7-like balance, the excellent separation of the earphones would have been noteworthy. The soundstage is spacious and well-rounded. Positioning is fairly precise and the overall presentation is quite convincing – easily on-par with most similarly-priced BA-based and dynamic sets.

 

Guess I'm fortunate in that I hear them EXACTLY as described above, nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

I'm surprised to hear of the few accounts of harshness associated with the e-Q5. I don't hear them that way at all, and trust me when I say, I am NOT a fan of harsh highs. It's for that very reason I simply couldn't tolerate both the DBA/CK10. This was never the case with the e-Q5, however. To quote |joker|'s review:

 

Guess I'm fortunate in that I hear them EXACTLY as described above, nothing more, nothing less.



Notice the tips in the review picture. Just sayin.wink_face.gif

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I'm with you on the DBA and even found the gr07 a bit too much but to be honest, I found the E-q5 crossed that line with stock tips too. Really think them tons of fun with hybrids.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/12/11 at 7:23am
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