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post #2626 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Still don't know if I should get the Es2 or the 10.33 >.> does the extra $100 make it worth while >.> 

 

The price goes like 10.33 promo < 10ES2 promo $580 (I'm not sure if it's still going on) < NFB-28 $680

 

Right now, it really depends on how you're going to use it.  If you're going to use the extra inputs and outputs of the new case, 10.33 and NFB-28 should be the ones to consider.  The new case with volume knob is fancy, but people like myself wouldn't need it because I just use the DAC outputs to another headphone amp for listening, and my desktop speakers have volume control.

 

If you're only going to use 1x RCA and XLR outputs then the 10ES2 still remains as a very high cost performance unit that I recommend (if the promo is still there), you will not really find another balanced ES9018 DAC/amp with excellent USB (the USB-32) and TCXO upgrades available, for a similar price.  If the promo wasn't there, I would have got the NFB-1.32 as I just use the 10ES2 as a DAC since Kingwa mentioned the DAC outputs sound pretty much the same.

 

The other obvious difference is DAC chips, either dual WM8741 on the 10.33, or ES9018 on the 10ES2 and NFB-28.  If you want that last 5-10% of detail, clarity and extension on the treble and bass, then the ES9018 models win, imo.  I would choose the WM8741 models if you prefer more smoothness between notes.  All the WM8741 models of Audio-gd I had before, they gave a nice and relaxed listening experience.  Eventually, just curiosity for more detail and extension brought me to ES9018 models, and I'm very happy with the 10ES2 so far.  I probably wouldn't go back to WM8741 models atleast for a few years, but that's just my preference.

 

Anyway, it seems you're going to take your time choosing one, so by the time you're going to pull the trigger, something else may be out... maybe you don't have to worry too much now, just decide when the time comes.

post #2627 of 2810
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Originally Posted by zenki14 View Post

The price goes like 10.33 promo < 10ES2 promo $580 (I'm not sure if it's still going on) < NFB-28 $680

Right now, it really depends on how you're going to use it.  If you're going to use the extra inputs and outputs of the new case, 10.33 and NFB-28 should be the ones to consider.  The new case with volume knob is fancy, but people like myself wouldn't need it because I just use the DAC outputs to another headphone amp for listening, and my desktop speakers have volume control.

If you're only going to use 1x RCA and XLR outputs then the 10ES2 still remains as a very high cost performance unit that I recommend (if the promo is still there), you will not really find another balanced ES9018 DAC/amp with excellent USB (the USB-32) and TCXO upgrades available, for a similar price.  If the promo wasn't there, I would have got the NFB-1.32 as I just use the 10ES2 as a DAC since Kingwa mentioned the DAC outputs sound pretty much the same.

The other obvious difference is DAC chips, either dual WM8741 on the 10.33, or ES9018 on the 10ES2 and NFB-28.  If you want that last 5-10% of detail, clarity and extension on the treble and bass, then the ES9018 models win, imo.  I would choose the WM8741 models if you prefer more smoothness between notes.  All the WM8741 models of Audio-gd I had before, they gave a nice and relaxed listening experience.  Eventually, just curiosity for more detail and extension brought me to ES9018 models, and I'm very happy with the 10ES2 so far.  I probably wouldn't go back to WM8741 models atleast for a few years, but that's just my preference.

Anyway, it seems you're going to take your time choosing one, so by the time you're going to pull the trigger, something else may be out... maybe you don't have to worry too much now, just decide when the time comes.

good point
post #2628 of 2810

Thanks, that is great feedback and has helped me a lot deciding which one to get. I was a bit hesitant with the launch of the NFB-10.33 because I've read that Kingwa's Wolfson designs were very good.

 

I think I have settled on the NFB-10ES2 for the time being as I would value the neutrality and additional detail the ESS DAC offers. While I like the chassis design more of the NFB-28, I think the 10ES2 offers very good value for money at the current promo pricing and I'm not really going to need the preamp capability, though it would be handy for doing DAC comparisons. Kingwa is probably busy phasing out that chassis design, so guess I wouldn't be surprised if the 10ES2 was discontinued or updated soon. Would like a rotary volume control, but I with headphones the volume range is limited anyway so I don't think the buttons should be really a problem and it should be very reliable.

post #2629 of 2810
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post

Thanks, that is great feedback and has helped me a lot deciding which one to get. I was a bit hesitant with the launch of the NFB-10.33 because I've read that Kingwa's Wolfson designs were very good.

I think I have settled on the NFB-10ES2 for the time being as I would value the neutrality and additional detail the ESS DAC offers. While I like the chassis design more of the NFB-28, I think the 10ES2 offers very good value for money at the current promo pricing and I'm not really going to need the preamp capability, though it would be handy for doing DAC comparisons. Kingwa is probably busy phasing out that chassis design, so guess I wouldn't be surprised if the 10ES2 was discontinued or updated soon. Would like a rotary volume control, but I with headphones the volume range is limited anyway so I don't think the buttons should be really a problem and it should be very reliable.

took the words right out my mouth lol. I too have settled on the ES2 for simmilar reasons. With a quick quote the ES2 is only about 30 more than the 10.33

n i too want the cleaner dac. An i like the digital volume control via the buttons. honestly

and The free swap to 2 rca outs is appreciated. So my fall purchase plan is finally settled

now to reasearch a balanced tube amp next lol... but thats for next fall honestly
post #2630 of 2810
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Originally Posted by reiserFS View Post

The WM8741 in dual mono configuration is amazingly done well on Kingwa's products. I much prefer it to the ESS9018 DAC as it just sounds more musical with a touch of warmth. In theory it should also have a much higher SNR.
For this price range I also prefer wolfson AGD products, as you say they are more musical and engaging and seem to preserve more texture while sabre can sound smoothed over in mid tier setups.
post #2631 of 2810

I recently bought the 10ES2 and the Beyerdynamic T1. They are a very good match. Previously I owned Compass with WM8741.  I don't like the sound compared with my REF 1, it seems the music was covered with a veil. I sold it within a few months.

 

Although the 10ES1 still have a distance from the REF 1, I keep it in my study room to connect to T1 and a pair of Adam A7X. So far I like this combination. I won't go back to WM8741. I think the 1704UK is still superior than the 9018.

 

These are my experience only.

post #2632 of 2810

Just received my NFB-28.  

 

 

 

 

 

Check out more quick pics here.  

 

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post #2633 of 2810
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Just received my NFB-28.  

 

 

 

 

 

Check out more quick pics here.  

 

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Nice look forward to my NFB 10ES2 pics soon :DI will miss the Analog Volume knob, but it does remember where you left off so that is nice <3 

post #2634 of 2810
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Originally Posted by jimmychan View Post

I recently bought the 10ES2 and the Beyerdynamic T1. They are a very good match. Previously I owned Compass with WM8741.  I don't like the sound compared with my REF 1, it seems the music was covered with a veil. I sold it within a few months.

 

Although the 10ES1 still have a distance from the REF 1, I keep it in my study room to connect to T1 and a pair of Adam A7X. So far I like this combination. I won't go back to WM8741. I think the 1704UK is still superior than the 9018.

 

These are my experience only.

Your REF 1 is a 15 Kg beast with eight 1704uk chips, seems like a Master 7 predecessor. I suspect that this type of construction with WM8741 dac chips (NFB-8 or 9 ?) would beat the much more modest 10ES2.


Edited by i019791 - 8/27/13 at 8:42am
post #2635 of 2810
Unfair comparison though, 10es can only come close generally but cant compete sonically to the any big chasis, 3 r-core big brothers.
post #2636 of 2810
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Originally Posted by sayh View Post

Unfair comparison though, 10es can only come close generally but cant compete sonically to the any big chasis, 3 r-core big brothers.

ugh there goes my wallet again, you've just scared it into hiding >.> 

post #2637 of 2810

Yep, I'm hiding mine too again...

post #2638 of 2810
Now that the filter button is gone, can you dim the LCD panel?
post #2639 of 2810
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post

Yep, I'm hiding mine too again...

You and me both man >.> 

 

Although I'm about to get a BIG FAT $400 BONUS to my orignal budget! [screw you Hard Copy Text Books I got dem FREE PDFS] so that has made me happy. I buy my Audio GD 10ES2 without guilt now :D 

post #2640 of 2810

While I wait for arrival, can someone tell me what cable to buy for HD600 & HD800 that will plug into this?

 

At the front its XLR & what looks like RCA?

 

Would this cable do? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Upgrade-Cable-SENNHEISER-HD580-HD600-HD650-XLR-VER-/320590860004


Edited by Ghaunty22 - 8/28/13 at 8:28am
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