Audio-gd NFB-10 - Page 155

Does anyone know of FR graphs of the NFB-10. My NFB-12 sounds fine with my HD800 in terms of brightness (I don't hear unnecessary sibilance except for what's in the recording), but I know the NFB-12 rolls off treble a few decibels leading up to 10 and 20khz. If the NFB-10se does not do this, maybe that's why people find it harsh/sibilant? Anyway I'll get a chance to try an NFB-10 at my local meet I think so it's not an important question to answer, but I am curious still.

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Originally Posted by oqvist 

Spent a few days with the NFB10SE comparing balanced to SE and to the C-2.1 amp and my Trafomator Head One. I must say the NFB10SE really consequently disappoint on my LCD-2 Rev 2. . I feel it´s a worse amp balanced then SE. The Rev2 just don´t sound right on it on these ears. Given up on this headphone ón these ears. Not saying it sound bad but it consequently outplayed by the C-2.1.

 

Example listening to Also Sprach Zarathrustra binaural and all the drama when the organs come in to play is just not there. Nothing happen when your ears should start vibrating which it does do in SE mode.

Without voices the harshness is not that apparent but it´s still obvious there is still a bit of a hollow sound but at the same time more 2D soundstaging then the C-2.1 for example. SE I always felt it sound a bit flat as well so won´t say SE is necessarily better then balanced here yet. But I am working hard to find things that improves running this amp balanced on this headphone.

 

Feels like it´s not for me. So some Dwight from the office:

 

QUESTION: Anybody here also that also heard the C-2.2 and/or C-2.1. Wonder how true the C-2.2 is to the C-2.1. If it share the same PSU as the NFB10SE it may also share more of it´s SQ. I am more impressed by the DAC section of the NFB10SE.

 

How is the phoenix? More C-2.1 or more NFB10SE balanced?

 

 

You really ought to ask Kingwa his opinion. I just don't hear this brightness a couple have mentioned, and I am using a bright headphone in the DT770. I am very sensitive to bright equipment as well.
 

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Originally Posted by tim3320070 

You really ought to ask Kingwa his opinion. I just don't hear this brightness a couple have mentioned, and I am using a bright headphone in the DT770. I am very sensitive to bright equipment as well.
 

 

I will probably do so. Though my swedish english and his chinese english sometimes collide and I am just as interested in other head-fiers opinions anyway. It´s not super bright but yes the LCD-2s on most systems aren´t on the bright side and I think this is. Not much though I have had no problems enjoying the HD 800 out of it. Though I clearly preferred the Cardas which seemed to take down the treble some.

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Originally Posted by OPrwtos 

we really need some more opinions on this i was considering like 100% to get the lcd 2 to use balanced with my 10se. I hope this is just happenin with ur 10se lol. 
 

 

Do you have the Rev2 or Rev1. I am very curious how it will work with the Rev1.

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Originally Posted by oqvist 

I will probably do so. Though my swedish english and his chinese english sometimes collide and I am just as interested in other head-fiers opinions anyway. It´s not super bright but yes the LCD-2s on most systems aren´t on the bright side and I think this is. Not much though I have had no problems enjoying the HD 800 out of it. Though I clearly preferred the Cardas which seemed to take down the treble some.

Do you have the Rev2 or Rev1. I am very curious how it will work with the Rev1.

 

no i mean i have the nfb-10se and i was going to get the lcd-2
 

After reading through both this and the LCD2 amping thread there really seems to be conflicting opinions with the NFB-10SE and LCD2 Combo.

Some people say its a great match, while others claim it is way to bright or does not preform well.

I currently have a NFB-10SE (DIR 9001) on order and plan on purchasing a pair of LCD2's in the next month or so. (still have not decided on V1 used vs V2 new)

I am really hoping that i am happy with the combo as i sold my old setup specifically for the LCD2 and NFB-10SE. (I had Audio-GD NFB3 and C2.2 before).

would really love some more impressions from people with this pairing!!

maybe this is just a problem with the LCD2v2's because of increased treble? have the people experiencing issues tried eq'ing?
 

thanks!

you're already half way there, just get the LCD-2 and find out - no one can tell you how you will hear what it gives you.  some (a very few) people may have not like the combo but I don't remember anyone saying it didn't perform well.  I think it's a great combo.  And even if it is slightly bright, maybe you like brighter headphones anyway?

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Originally Posted by tme110 

you're already half way there, just get the LCD-2 and find out - no one can tell you how you will hear what it gives you.  some (a very few) people may have not like the combo but I don't remember anyone saying it didn't perform well.  I think it's a great combo.  And even if it is slightly bright, maybe you like brighter headphones anyway?

+1 

Yep. Only way is to find out for yourself. There's no absolute truth on this forum.

Some people think the LCD-2r2 is too bright, some think it's too dark, some thing its too bassy, some think it's not bassy enough, some think the soundstage is great, some think the soundstage sucks, some think its lush, some think its veiled, etc. etc. etc.

I quite enjoy the combo, myself. YMMV, of course. 
 

EQ could help I am sure. I don´t have any problem with distortion or things EQ can´t fix. Rev2 in balanced mode is where I wish for EQ though it sound good and quite close to the C-2.1 SQ in SE mode. I hope to get my replacement cables tomorrow so I can test the R1.

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Originally Posted by darren700 

After reading through both this and the LCD2 amping thread there really seems to be conflicting opinions with the NFB-10SE and LCD2 Combo.

 

Some people say its a great match, while others claim it is way to bright or does not preform well.

 

I currently have a NFB-10SE (DIR 9001) on order and plan on purchasing a pair of LCD2's in the next month or so. (still have not decided on V1 used vs V2 new)

 

I am really hoping that i am happy with the combo as i sold my old setup specifically for the LCD2 and NFB-10SE. (I had Audio-GD NFB3 and C2.2 before).

 

would really love some more impressions from people with this pairing!!

 

maybe this is just a problem with the LCD2v2's because of increased treble? have the people experiencing issues tried eq'ing?
 

thanks!

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Originally Posted by darren700 

After reading through both this and the LCD2 amping thread there really seems to be conflicting opinions with the NFB-10SE and LCD2 Combo.

 

Some people say its a great match, while others claim it is way to bright or does not preform well.

 

I currently have a NFB-10SE (DIR 9001) on order and plan on purchasing a pair of LCD2's in the next month or so. (still have not decided on V1 used vs V2 new)

 

I am really hoping that i am happy with the combo as i sold my old setup specifically for the LCD2 and NFB-10SE. (I had Audio-GD NFB3 and C2.2 before).

 

would really love some more impressions from people with this pairing!!

 

maybe this is just a problem with the LCD2v2's because of increased treble? have the people experiencing issues tried eq'ing?
 

thanks!

If you are concerned about brightness - the DIR9001 is probably a good choice as it is more laid back and dark sounding compared to the WM8805 digital input which is comparatively bright/forward.  IMO the bass sounds a little better from the DIR9001 also, just imaging is a little sharper and defined on the WM8805.  My preferences for a relaxed sound are now causing me to lean toward the DIR9001.

LCD2.2 have a a bit less even treble response than the LCD-2.1 and probably overall are a little brighter/tighter in their response.  The payoff is more detailed and energetic response.

Bright/dark are relative terms in audio as is glare etc. it is probably better to say "brighter than X" and that will be more informative and less misleading IMO.

WIth DIR9001, BNC input from my current transport and LCD2.2 with my current cable I would undoubtedly call the NFB-10 SE neutral and even slightly smooth.

BTW NFB-10 SE comes with RCA input, and I'm not sure if AGD have panel mount BNC but it is possibly worth asking if they do.

Yes I changed the RCA coax. input to BNC myself - it is a bit fiddly to do but IMO worth it to optimise the digital input.  BNC connections can be made 75 Ohms along with the cable which reduces possible signal reflections from the connectors/connection which may cause jitter.  I think Cardas does some 75 Ohm RCA connectors but I don't know of any others that are available.  Some high end gear still use RCA though, so it's probably not that bad.  In the end there has to be an impedance change with the hookup wire anyway so who knows if the difference is worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy 

What's the most neutral setting for the Flavor/Oversampling? I want a C-2.2 (maybe) and want to benefit from ACSS, but the AudioGD Dacs and their 9 oversampling settings is a bit overwhelming...enough to make me wanna get another brand dac that works as is, and just get Earth Op-amps for neutrality.

the flavor/filter difference, if any, is very subtle IMO.

well at least according to Dan Lavry there's no such thing as NOS DAC. there's already a debated thread for the NOS stuff. like here and here .

edit: BTW I assuming you are talking about their WM8741 based DACs. not the other chip based one since they are quite different on the oversampling/filter stuff (I think).