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post #31 of 45
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This ^

 

I had the chance to audition both today side by side and the HD800 sounded lifeless in comparison, just my opinion of course. I wish I hadn't heard the LCD-2s because now I know what I'm missing and can't afford them.

 

Is it b/c of the LCD-2s are more enjoyable and less accurate than the HD-800?  I always found the HD800 to be very neutral and accurate sounding despite the flaws in the treble.  I need to sample the Audeze one of these days.

 

 

 
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by Tyson View Post





Bright, irritating, fatiguing. 


I totally agree with you.

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Is it b/c of the LCD-2s are more enjoyable and less accurate than the HD-800?  I always found the HD800 to be very neutral and accurate sounding despite the flaws in the treble.  I need to sample the Audeze one of these days.

 

 

 


Could be. I felt like the HD800 was just another headphone after the LCD2. This was the only time I had heard either of them. I'm not one to describe sound very well, but I'll try by saying that the LCD2 had an airiness and lushness about them that sucked me in and made me forget about everything but the music. I was intrigued by the clarity and soundstage among other things. The HD800 sounded like nails on a chalkboard after that. Not to say that the HD800 was bad, it's certainly better than anything I own, but that was the feeling it gave me auditioning them side by side.

post #34 of 45
I would not describe a pair of headphones as neutral and accurate if it has a flaw in the treble. The LCD-2s are what I'd call accurate.

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Is it b/c of the LCD-2s are more enjoyable and less accurate than the HD-800?  I always found the HD800 to be very neutral and accurate sounding despite the flaws in the treble.  I need to sample the Audeze one of these days.

 

 


Edited by Danz03 - 10/31/10 at 1:54am
post #35 of 45

HD-800s  are fatiguing at higher levels.

 

This may explain the fatigue: because of their low levels of bass distortion, one is encouraged to turn them up. (There is a well known psychoacoustic effect of perceiving the onset of distortion as "loud" and  sound with very low bass distortion as "not too loud.")

 

I tend to want to listen to mine louder than I should. When I wonder what's going on with headphones I will often check the SPL that I am listening at; I use an SPL meter for that, along with a simple coupler which mates it to the earcup so it has a cavity space similar to my ear. What I find is that "just right" loudness for me on the HD800 is over 95 dB. Because of all the highs the HD800 delivers, 95 dB will cause pain after a while.  And DAMAGE after a longer while.  85 dB is a safer level for listening for some period of time, on ANY 'phones.

 

Try listening to the BD800's at a maximum level of around 83~86 dB and you may notice that fatigue doesn't set in.

 

I tend to listen to my LCD-2's at around 93 dB, left to my natural inclinations.  However, as the LCD-2 presents highs at a lower level relative to midband and bass, and I do not suffer ear fatigue with the LCDs even at 93 dB. ('Cause the 93 dB is being generated mostly by energy below 1000 Hz)

 

So, try turning the volume down on those HD800's and see if you find them easier to live with.

 

 

post #36 of 45

^An interesting point that comes up now and again and which I tend to forget.

 

This may well be a factor that accounts for different experiences.  I'm a relatively low level listener.

 

So it would seem that equipment synergy, one's preferred listening level, and also very importantly, the actual choice of music one listens to, can make one man's experience of a headphone very different from another's. 

post #37 of 45

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Originally Posted by milosz View Post

HD-800s  are fatiguing at higher levels.

 


I completely agree.  I loved the HD-800 when I first got them, but started out listening too loud.  I'd get fatigued after 30-40 minutes.  But after cranking the volume back down, I realized that I wasn't really missing anything and have been able to listen for hours without fatigue.  You're right - the low distortion makes it easy to crank up the HD-800 where it doesn't belong.

post #38 of 45

I was impressed with the 800 out of the box but over a few days fell out of love.  I listen at ~60dB most days and at 73dB during the A/B with the O2.  Its was fatiguing and more importantly fell apart under complex sections of bass.  Essentially its fatal flaw for me was that the drum and bass lines dropped out when things got fast.  In that respect the HE-5LE, LCD-2 and O2 are better.  In my rig, the LCD-2 is the best at layering without getting fuzzy.

post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

I was impressed with the 800 out of the box but over a few days fell out of love.  I listen at ~60dB most days and at 73dB during the A/B with the O2.  Its was fatiguing and more importantly fell apart under complex sections of bass.  Essentially its fatal flaw for me was that the drum and bass lines dropped out when things got fast.  In that respect the HE-5LE, LCD-2 and O2 are better.  In my rig, the LCD-2 is the best at layering without getting fuzzy.


I love bass and I think that's one territory that needs further exploration on my part, with regards to sound reproduction with headphones.  I don't love bass in quantity, but quality.  Well reproduced bass does so much for my enjoyment of music.  Since it's so important, I dislike when it's overpowering as much as when it's underrepresented.  Bass resolution, layering and extension hit a new high for me with the HD800's.  It opened a new door that I never knew existed. It's interesting that there could actually be more.  Very tempting indeed. 

 

I know that I'll very, very likely be getting something else for this reason.  I just don't know if it will be the HE-6 or HE-5LE's.  I'm yet to feel the slightest urge to try a Stax rig.


Edited by aimlink - 10/31/10 at 6:17am
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by LFF View Post




I totally agree with you.



I don't. Try different sources and amps. Mostly sources can be very bright and then people blame the cans. Not saying this is the case

post #41 of 45
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Originally Posted by Danz03 View Post

I would not describe a pair of headphones as neutral and accurate if it has a flaw in the treble. The LCD-2s are what I'd call accurate.
 


 


Let me clarify my statement.  To my ears, the HD800 are the most neutral & accurate especially after the cable upgrade.  Certainly not as enjoyable as the R10, Qualia, and the HE90 but the treble spike goes away after the cable upgrade.  Still they are not my favorite headphone b/c I am a fan of euphonic camp.  I believe that every headphones has their flaws and some imperfection can be cured by cable upgrade. 

post #42 of 45

I guess it's all a matter of preference. I've listened to all of the top tier open headphones and I happen to prefer the HD800. I think the B22/S22 has helped bring back a little of the peak without sacrificing anything else in the process.

post #43 of 45

For some reason, the HD800s seem to change character completely with different amps. Just from a sound-perspective, I would have believed they were completely different phones as I changed amps.

They go from fatiguing/tipped-up/screaming/need-to-turn-them-down phones with some solid state amps to gracious/smooth/musical/high-volume-friendly/can't-stop-listening with my B52 amp (with upgraded tubes).

This was never true with my 650s, 701s, RS1s,  or others.

post #44 of 45

I have to agree with the last couple of posters.  The 800s are so revealing of the chain in front of it that one needs to be sure all work toward it's benefit.  When this is done, few if any,  compare to it.

post #45 of 45
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I have to agree with the last couple of posters.  The 800s are so revealing of the chain in front of it that one needs to be sure all work toward it's benefit.  When this is done, few if any,  compare to it.


Well, I guess I stumbled on great synergy via an SS solution.

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