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post #76 of 163

Before you guys get too far down the path, please remember that political discussions are not allowed here.

 

If this thread turns political, we'll either have to clean out a lot of posts or shut down the thread.

 

(Props for the Foundation reference, Marvin!  smily_headphones1.gif)

post #77 of 163

I think it is important to remember that the average I.Q. is 100.  I can tell you from the prospective of a teacher with 37 years in the classroom a person with an I.Q. of 100 is not particularly bright and one half of the population is below that.  That was O.K. in the 1960's when anyone could go out and find a good job working in a shop.  Now good jobs require higher levels of academic skill than then. I am afraid that more and more our country will become an aristocracy of the intelligent. Some people might think that this is for the best but I am concerned how this will effect our democracy.

post #78 of 163

I guess I was fortunate that my public school had great classes on top of Civics, Econ, US, World and European history.  We had classes called Cultural Geography (had to be tested on filling out the names of every country and their capital in the world) and Contemporary Issues (every student was required to subscribe to Newsweek).  When I go out and about I realize this wasn't the typical case.  


Edited by Anaxilus - 10/25/10 at 11:07am
post #79 of 163

I wish I still had a copy of part 1/3 of my GCS (Geographical Cultural Studies) final exam from 9th grade. We were given a large blank piece of paper on which we had to draw the world and label (I believe) 100 cities, rivers, mountain ranges, etc. The points of interest on the list ranged from Trondheimsfjorden to Budapest. The second part was a traditional 200 question scantron exam, and the third was much more fun- building a homemade kite that could fly!

post #80 of 163

To quote my management professor: "What is wrong with this generation!?"

It was an assignment related to business ethics. The scenario was, if your boss was looking at pr0n on premise, should you report it or ignore it? Many students said something along the lines of "he's my boss so I can't report him or else I'll get fired" (yes, even if he conducts fraud) I worry. They've become slaves to authority.

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To quote my management professor: "What is wrong with this generation!?"

It was an assignment related to business ethics. The scenario was, if your boss was looking at pr0n on premise, should you report it or ignore it? Many students said something along the lines of "he's my boss so I can't report him or else I'll get fired" (yes, even if he conducts fraud) I worry. They've become slaves to authority.


That example's a bit of a Rorschach test.

You see slavish obeisance to authority, I see strong mistrust of the same.

post #82 of 163
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That example's a bit of a Rorschach test.

You see slavish obeisance to authority, I see strong mistrust of the same.


Unless you work in the porn industry, how can you trust a boss/authority figure that is looking at porn on company time?


Edited by grokit - 10/25/10 at 2:05pm
post #83 of 163
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Unless you work in the porn industry, how can you trust a boss/authority figure that is looking at porn on company time?



The issue isn't with trusting the boss, it's with trusting the rest of the company's authority structure. An employee that makes that sort of accusation is in a precarious situation and must depend on the the company's authority structure to protect the employee from retaliation. If that trust isn't there (and it ain't if the employee thinks it's a "or else I'll get fired" situation), the likelihood that said employee will put their career on the line for even criminal misbehavior is very low.

There are reasons why there are civil and criminal legal protections for whistleblowers. They ain't there just for fun.


Edited by marvin - 10/25/10 at 2:41pm
post #84 of 163

There must be something in management training that allows double standards. I have seen terrible behavouir by mangers ignored and when I complained they blatantly suppressed and ignored their own grievance procedure.


Edited by Prog Rock Man - 10/26/10 at 3:08am
post #85 of 163
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When I was in school there was no class where I had to know where any country was. There was no geography class on other countries or even the states in the US iirc but it has been a while since those classes so I may be mistaken about the latter. I also don't really care where countries are located on a map really either.



I had to be able to name and place on a map all U.N. member states for my 9th grade history final. 

 

That said, I occasionally run into people who possess a pretty poor command of even fairly local geography. I once told a wealthy and well-educated neighbor of mine that I was going to Honduras. She asked me what part of Mexico that was  This was in Texas, where most people come across Hondurans on a daily basis. 

post #86 of 163

I suppose us lot are in a confusing country of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combining into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Then we still have a Commonwealth and various remnants of the Empire.

post #87 of 163

From 2007, the world rankings tables, which makes good reading for those from Finland, HK and Canada, less so for the UK, but what about the USA......?

 

READING TOP 25                  MATHS TOP 25              SCIENCE TOP 25
1 Korea Taiwan Finland
2 Finland Finland Hong Kong-China
3 Hong Kong-China Hong Kong-China Canada
4 Canada Korea Taiwan
5 New Zealand Netherlands Estonia
6 Ireland Switzerland Japan
7 Australia Canada New Zealand
8 Liechtenstein Macao-China Australia
9 Poland Liechtenstein Netherlands
10 Sweden Japan Liechtenstein
11 Netherlands New Zealand Korea
12 Belgium Belgium Slovenia
13 Estonia Australia Germany
14 Switzerland Estonia United Kingdom
15 Japan Denmark Czech Republic
16 Taiwan Czech Republic Switzerland
17 United Kingdom Iceland Macao-China
18 Germany Austria Austria
19 Denmark Slovenia Belgium
20 Slovenia Germany Ireland
21 Macao-China Sweden Hungary
22 Austria Ireland Sweden
23 France France Poland
24 Iceland United Kingdom Denmark
25 Norway Poland France

 

Source The Daily Telegraph 4/12/2007 taken from an OECD report.


Edited by Prog Rock Man - 10/26/10 at 9:09am
post #88 of 163

yes the commonwealth all the countrys that were taken by force by the crown , all them people that suffered at the hands  of a nation that was built on the wealth of pirates like drake

post #89 of 163

 

 

 

 

 

Student Performance on the Reading, Scientific and Mathematical Literacy Scales, mean score, 2006
Countries are ranked highest to lowest score

 
Countries ranked by reading scores. In the other tables below, countries are ranked by mathematics and science scores
See also notes below the tables.
Rank

Country

Reading

Maths

Science

1 Korea 556 547 522
2 Finland 547 548 563
3 Canada 527 527 534
4 New Zealand 521 522 530
5 Ireland 517 501 508
6 Australia 513 520 527
7 Poland1 508 495 498
8 Sweden 507 502 503
9 Netherlands 507 531 525
10 Belgium 501 520 510
11 Switzerland 499 530 512
12 Japan 498 523 531
13 United Kingdom 495 495 515
14 Germany 495 504 516
15 Denmark 494 513 496
16 OECD average 492 498 500
17 Austria 490 505 511
18 France 488 496 495
19 Iceland 484 506 491
20 Norway 484 490 487
21 Czech Republic1 483 510 513
22 Hungary 482 491 504
23 Luxembourg 479 490 486
24 Portugal1 472 466 474
25 Italy 469 462 475
26 Slovak Republic 466 492 488
27 Spain 461 480 488
28 Greece 460 459 473
29 Turkey1 447 424 424
30 Russian Federation 440 476 479
31 Mexico 410 406 410
32 Brazil1 393 370 390
33 United States .. 474 489

Rank

Country

Maths

Science

Reading

1 Finland 548 563 547
2 Korea 547 522 556
3 Netherlands 531 525 507
4 Switzerland 530 512 499
5 Canada 527 534 527
6 Japan 523 531 498
7 New Zealand 522 530 521
8 Belgium 520 510 501
9 Australia 520 527 513
10 Denmark 513 496 494
11 Czech Republic1 510 513 483
12 Iceland 506 491 484
13 Austria 505 511 490
14 Germany 504 516 495
15 Sweden 502 503 507
16 Ireland 501 508 517
17 OECD average 498 500 492
18 France 496 495 488
19 United Kingdom 495 515 495
20 Poland1 495 498 508
21 Slovak Republic 492 488 466
22 Hungary 491 504 482
23 Luxembourg 490 486 479
24 Norway 490 487 484
25 Spain 480 488 461
26 Russian Federation 476 479 440
27 United States 474 489 ..
28 Portugal1 466 474 472
29 Italy 462 475 469
30 Greece 459 473 460
31 Turkey1 424 424 447
32 Mexico 406 410 410
33 Brazil1 370 390 393

Rank

Country

Science

Reading

Maths

1 Finland 563 547 548
2 Canada 534 527 527
3 Japan 531 498 523
4 New Zealand 530 521 522
5 Australia 527 513 520
6 Netherlands 525 507 531
7 Korea 522 556 547
8 Germany 516 495 504
9 United Kingdom 515 495 495
10 Czech Republic1 513 483 510
11 Switzerland 512 499 530
12 Austria 511 490 505
13 Belgium 510 501 520
14 Ireland 508 517 501
15 Hungary 504 482 491
16 Sweden 503 507 502
17 OECD average 500 492 498
18 Poland1 498 508 495
19 Denmark 496 494 513
20 France 495 488 496
21 Iceland 491 484 506
22 United States 489 .. 474
23 Slovak Republic 488 466 492
24 Spain 488 461 480
25 Norway 487 484 490
26 Luxembourg 486 479 490
27 Russian Federation 479 440 476
28 Italy 475 469 462
29 Portugal1 474 472 466
30 Greece 473 460 459
31 Turkey1 424 447 424
32 Mexico 410 410 406
33 Brazil1 390 393 370

 NOTES:

These tables show student performance on the reading, scientific and mathematical literacy scales, mean score, measured in 2006, and reported in OECD's Education at a Glance 2009.

Students were tested at age 15 and therefore approaching the end of compulsory schooling.

1In these countries, tertiary-type A attainment includes all types of tertiary level degrees.





 
 

 

Source Country Rankings  2009 OECD


Edited by Prog Rock Man - 10/26/10 at 9:18am
post #90 of 163
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yes the commonwealth all the countrys that were taken by force by the crown , all them people that suffered at the hands  of a nation that was built on the wealth of pirates like drake



While I fully agree that the British Empire was not a benevolent entity and was certainly guilty of many attrocities we should not point fingers here as we will find few countries with a blameless foreign policy - also we are not allowed to discuss politics !

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