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post #76 of 104

Yeah, it has me baffled, of course. I got the Mystify to go with my customs. I keep trying to listen, but it seems even my $69 CMOYbb is a better match with the JH5s. Maybe my new cable will make a difference. I am really enjoying the Mystify with the Grados, however, enough to possibly keep it. Just not sure right now. As for all the discussion about which phones to use with the Mystify, doesn't really do me much good, because I am not going to buy phones to match the amp, when my preference is to use the JH5s, even unamped they are fantastic.

post #77 of 104
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Spanish, you would never get tubes either. Your definition of quality is internally consistent but isn't the final word IMHO.

I don't say that is finaly closed any question :) But my opinion has a start point and scale for compare and description. :) But w/o my opinion we have what?...

And - don't like tubes... i think i can make "pleasant distortion" with more simple and cheaping ways. Foobar plugins for example :) I no need for this expensve, big bot with few cent costing in real :)


Spanish, we have very different views of the potential for that intangible magic in the rendering of music. However I give you full credit for being consistent. We are in 'agree to disagree' territory. :-)

post #78 of 104

it's pretty strange that the amp has such a negative effect on your JH5. I've never had an amp do that. The worst was that it didn't improve anything. If your cable doesn't work out for you I think selling this amp and getting another amp would be a good idea.

post #79 of 104
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it's pretty strange that the amp has such a negative effect on your JH5. I've never had an amp do that. The worst was that it didn't improve anything. If your cable doesn't work out for you I think selling this amp and getting another amp would be a good idea.



Reminds me of the Arrow/TF10 issue that has since been resolved.  Ironically the JH5 and TF10 were designed by the same person.

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

it's pretty strange that the amp has such a negative effect on your JH5. I've never had an amp do that. The worst was that it didn't improve anything. If your cable doesn't work out for you I think selling this amp and getting another amp would be a good idea.

I may just do that, but the Mystify really is amazing with the Grados. Will wait to see if it makes any difference with my new TWag cable. No rush to sell it right now. I wish I was better at explaining what it does to the JH5 sound; it just makes me unhappy (and wanting to unhook it and either go HP out or to the CMOYbb).

post #81 of 104

 

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Wow Spanish, I guess I should thank you for my edification in the art of music reproduction ( flat = quality ). Are you SERIOUS ?! 

You tell for me what i never say. Just giv me a link where i say what "Flat has enough for quality?" Flatnes and smootртуыы necessary for quality but not enought.

 

 

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Where did you get the fact that every good manufacturers try to make their products sound more flat.

Because i know some of them. Becaus i have an ingeneering education, because i'm ingeneer and closly connection with ingeneers. Not wit "audiophilitic manufacturers" :)

 

 

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I presume respectable people such as Ray Samuels and John Grado did not receive your memo or they don't want to build quality products according to your doctrine.

Do you rely think so? :) If you like grado - like it' But from ingeneering point of view Grado 1000i - worser than grado 325. I've both. And i give it to many people for trying. Everybody say - Grado - colored Headphones. Only "for grado sound lovers". Because if you'll give to customer many different headphones for choising - only one from 100 choose Grado. Trust me - i'm working with Headphones selling a lot years :)

Ray Samuel Amps - for example has a big distortion. You confused with two different things. "Somebody like" and "quality". For example - why i need to say about non-quality sound what it's "good" if i don't like how it's sounding? Maybe all peoopple must say what it's not good soud because i say what it's not good sound? :)

I try to say - if you starting only from subjective point of view - you have nothing for proving your opinion. Because your opinion (and even opinion of Jonh Grado and ent) is NOTHING for many another people. And people with ingennering and musik education :) Do not mix "somebody like" and "quality". 

And i think it's not IMHO :) It's a our real word. If you ill - what medicine you swalov? Maked buy medic or maket buy people who think they medic??? Who think what sugar beter medicine because they are more testy?:) Hearing - it's medicine two. If' you will listening curved sound long time - you'll loose your ear :)

 

 

post #82 of 104

Spanish, your grammar is awesome. I wish I was audiophilitic. I swalov testy medicine! normal_smile%20.gif

 

You guys should stop the flaming; for us it's impossible to follow and I think all the arguments are lost in translation. The translation is very entertaining though but let's continue discussing the Mystify!


Edited by Negakinu - 11/24/10 at 4:55am
post #83 of 104

woot! your ipods beat to shi* XD

 

Thanks for the review dt880smile.png

post #84 of 104

True dat. Going to give the Mystify some more play tonight, with the JH5s and see if I can figure it out. Another weird thing about the FA amp is it seemed to discharge very quickly, not much battery endurance. I am going to keep track this time (it's fully charged, I believe. I had it on the USB all night, so that should be enough. Doesn't seem to be any way to know, no green light or anything).
 

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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post

Spanish, your grammar is awesome. I wish I was audiophilitic. I swalov testy medicine! normal_smile%20.gif

 

You guys should stop the flaming; for us it's impossible to follow and I think all the arguments are lost in translation. The translation is very entertaining though but let's continue discussing the Mystify!


Edited by pellegrino10 - 11/24/10 at 3:47pm
post #85 of 104

 

Cool, looking forward to hear how it goes and about the battery life :)

Also, can you list all the IEMs/Headphones you have used with the map? Would be cool wink_face.gif


 

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Originally Posted by pellegrino10 View Post

True dat. Going to give the Mystify some more play tonight, with the JH5s and see if I can figure it out. Another weird thing about the FA amp is it seemed to discharge very quickly, not much battery endurance. I am going to keep track this time (it's fully charged, I believe. I had it on the USB all night, so that should be enough. Doesn't seem to be any way to know, no green light or anything).
 


 

post #86 of 104
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The Mystify gives me quite a bit of battery time - about 10 hours.

 

When you charge it, set the switch to the left most position. When it is fully charged, the light will go off. When the battery is low, the red light will turn on.
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

it's pretty strange that the amp has such a negative effect on your JH5. I've never had an amp do that. The worst was that it didn't improve anything. If your cable doesn't work out for you I think selling this amp and getting another amp would be a good idea.



Reminds me of the Arrow/TF10 issue that has since been resolved.  Ironically the JH5 and TF10 were designed by the same person.

The TF10 was not fully designed by JH.

 


 

post #87 of 104
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Originally Posted by LFF View Post

The Mystify gives me quite a bit of battery time - about 10 hours.

 

When you charge it, set the switch to the left most position. When it is fully charged, the light will go off. When the battery is low, the red light will turn on.
 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post



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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

it's pretty strange that the amp has such a negative effect on your JH5. I've never had an amp do that. The worst was that it didn't improve anything. If your cable doesn't work out for you I think selling this amp and getting another amp would be a good idea.



Reminds me of the Arrow/TF10 issue that has since been resolved.  Ironically the JH5 and TF10 were designed by the same person.

The TF10 was not fully designed by JH.

 


 


Ah, read impressions that those had more of his touch and attention than any other universal in their lineup as if they were his baby.  I stand corrected then.

post #88 of 104
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Originally Posted by Spanish View Post

 

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Wow Spanish, I guess I should thank you for my edification in the art of music reproduction ( flat = quality ). Are you SERIOUS ?! 

You tell for me what i never say. Just giv me a link where i say what "Flat has enough for quality?" Flatnes and smootртуыы necessary for quality but not enought.

 

 

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Where did you get the fact that every good manufacturers try to make their products sound more flat.

Because i know some of them. Becaus i have an ingeneering education, because i'm ingeneer and closly connection with ingeneers. Not wit "audiophilitic manufacturers" :)

 

 

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I presume respectable people such as Ray Samuels and John Grado did not receive your memo or they don't want to build quality products according to your doctrine.

Do you rely think so? :) If you like grado - like it' But from ingeneering point of view Grado 1000i - worser than grado 325. I've both. And i give it to many people for trying. Everybody say - Grado - colored Headphones. Only "for grado sound lovers". Because if you'll give to customer many different headphones for choising - only one from 100 choose Grado. Trust me - i'm working with Headphones selling a lot years :)

Ray Samuel Amps - for example has a big distortion. You confused with two different things. "Somebody like" and "quality". For example - why i need to say about non-quality sound what it's "good" if i don't like how it's sounding? Maybe all peoopple must say what it's not good soud because i say what it's not good sound? :)

I try to say - if you starting only from subjective point of view - you have nothing for proving your opinion. Because your opinion (and even opinion of Jonh Grado and ent) is NOTHING for many another people. And people with ingennering and musik education :) Do not mix "somebody like" and "quality". 

And i think it's not IMHO :) It's a our real word. If you ill - what medicine you swalov? Maked buy medic or maket buy people who think they medic??? Who think what sugar beter medicine because they are more testy?:) Hearing - it's medicine two. If' you will listening curved sound long time - you'll loose your ear :)

 

 

Regardless of what you will post next, this will be my last reply to you. It's not that I'm backing down from a debate but I rather spare our fellow Head-Fi  members from further infliction of this increasingly tedious and trivial dialogue.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Again, I would like to thank you, this time for my edification in medicine. I didn't know that listening to music from sources that have coloration can have such a detrimental effect on my health LOL. But seriously, I'm glad you use medicine as a metaphor because you are aware that for a lot illness there are more than one medical procedure and medicine for the same cure just like in music reproduction.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Contrary to your believe, my approach is objective. I think you are the one who can't see that within the context of music reproduction ( a function of audio equipment and it's not IMO ), subjective qualities coexist with objective qualities. The fact that music is part of the equation (whether you like it or not) and since music is subjective, then quality cannot be measure in absolute value. Quality is a measure of performance of goods or services within the CONTEXT of it's APPLICATION.                                                                                                                           Here's two engineering terms you should be familiar with "function" and "application", how do you define these terms in, say a pair of headphone. Function, hey guess what? It's music reproduction not hunting for hidden oil well in the ocean, therefore objectivity is not the exclusive factor in determining quality. Now of course there are many application for headphones, and if it is for monitoring, you won't have any argument from me because you have to measure quality in that application in absolute objectivity. I'm not saying you can't enjoy music using reference grade equipment, I'm just saying that reference grade equipment is not the benchmark measurement for every application. Otherwise it will be as ludicrous as telling someone to drive a Formula One race car in the desert because it is the pinnacle excellence of automotive engineering.                                                                                                                                                    As much as you want, not everything can be quantify in absolute values not even medicine, and thank God I didn't ask you to prescribe me a pair of headphone to maximize my music listening pleasure.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Incidentally, in the real world it's the recording artists who hires the engineer and not the other way around.

post #89 of 104

 

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Spanish, we have very different views...

Of course - we are different mans :) If we was all same as another - world will be very bored :)

 

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Another weird thing about the FA amp is it seemed to discharge very quickly

It must work around 8-10 hourse. If you use it on top volume - faster of course.

 


Edited by Spanish - 11/26/10 at 3:46am
post #90 of 104

Okay, for some odd reason, the Mystify won't take a charge via USB, I could only charge it by trying out one of the several USB AC adapters I have in the house. I tried two straight time to charge it using USB, and it would not charge. I was about to send it back, when I tried the adapter. It is now charged, but I have yet to try it for an extended period (Thanksgiving got in the way), but that's my next move. Consequently, I have not been able to use it with the JH5s. I am also going to try it using HP out (not LOD) on some of my players, especially my Clip+, since that's what LFF is using. I plan on doing that today off and on.

 

Just as a note, the other day when I thought it was charged (cause I had it plugged into my PC USB overnight),it was not. And within 3 minutes, it shut down. To be charged, only the green light is on. But in my two tries to charge it via USB/PC, both times the red and green lights were on, indicating low battery.

 

So back to the basics here. Oh, and it still sounds awesome with my Grados (I did try it out for a few minutes yesterday, letting our nephew, a budding HF junkie, hear it). Hoping that cable arrives soon for the JH5s.
 

UPDATE: No matter what combo I try, the Mystify just creates a veil, blunting the JH5 mids and highs. The detail is all still here, but when I A/B the JH5s with and without the Mystify, I much prefer the unamped sound. Not true of the Grados as I said, and the Mystify also is fine with the PR1 Pros I have on hand, certainly enhancing their sound enough to prefer it. Both the Grados and the PR1s are dynamics, if that means anything at all. The DBAs are BAs, but duals not triples, and they are a good match with the Mystify as well, as LFF reports.

 

Oh well, looks like someone is going to get a good deal on the Mystify via the FS forum. I decided rather than use the amp in a limited fashion, might be better to get something else, not sure what. I may just stick with the $69 CMOYbb, which is a very good value.

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Originally Posted by Jonasklam View Post

 

Cool, looking forward to hear how it goes and about the battery life :)

Also, can you list all the IEMs/Headphones you have used with the map? Would be cool wink_face.gif


 

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Originally Posted by pellegrino10 View Post

True dat. Going to give the Mystify some more play tonight, with the JH5s and see if I can figure it out. Another weird thing about the FA amp is it seemed to discharge very quickly, not much battery endurance. I am going to keep track this time (it's fully charged, I believe. I had it on the USB all night, so that should be enough. Doesn't seem to be any way to know, no green light or anything).
 


 


Edited by pellegrino10 - 11/26/10 at 9:32am
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