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post #106 of 2067

 

Calling thinker! Calling thinker!

 

What is your opinion? Has the soundstage decreased at all from when you first listened?

post #107 of 2067
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LOL, that's what I'm always telling myself about my life!





HAHA! LMFAO! That just made my night with the day I've had! Cheers! wink.gif
post #108 of 2067

Can anyone comment on the comfort of the Edition 10s? Thanks.

post #109 of 2067

I'd say it's quite painful... in the wallet.

post #110 of 2067
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Edited by thinker - 1/19/14 at 1:39am
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Edited by thinker - 1/19/14 at 1:36am
post #112 of 2067
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There is not much to add what Dynamic said it's close to my findings but cannot comment on soundstage because i use several amps



Um... okay. I guess it's up to me then to look into it and then share those findings with everyone here.

 

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems like the soundstage shouldn't get smaller with use. I've read some reports by HeadphoneAddict (I'm pretty sure it was from Larry) that his Proline Ultrasone---the 2500 was is?---actually DID get worse after burn-in.

 

One of the main draws of the Edition 10 for me was that it was touted as "similar to the Edition 8 with an expansive soundstage." If the soundstage gets more constricted with use, that's going to be a major detractor for me.

 

Either way, I won't know until I hear for myself. Which will hopefully be soon.

post #113 of 2067
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Um... okay. I guess it's up to me then to look into it and then share those findings with everyone here.

 

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems like the soundstage shouldn't get smaller with use. I've read some reports by HeadphoneAddict (I'm pretty sure it was from Larry) that his Proline Ultrasone---the 2500 was is?---actually DID get worse after burn-in.

 

One of the main draws of the Edition 10 for me was that it was touted as "similar to the Edition 8 with an expansive soundstage." If the soundstage gets more constricted with use, that's going to be a major detractor for me.

 

Either way, I won't know until I hear for myself. Which will hopefully be soon.

Hopefully that is not the case and you will enjoy them. But, with a sale you could buy about two HD 800 if you really want a massive soundstage.
 

post #114 of 2067



 

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Thanks for your impressions.  Could you describe more about what system do you pair the Ed.10s with and whether you have observed anything negative about them, not just concerning sound quality, but other areas as well (build quality, presentation, etc.)?

 

And welcome to Head-Fi!


My system information is as follows:

 

Foobar2000 --> M2Tech Hiface --> Meier-Audio Corda StageDAC --> Burson Audio HA-160 --> Ultrasone Edition 10
 

I generally listen to CDs that are converted by EAC to 16bit 44.1KHz FLAC files.

 

Next, let me describe on the physical attributes of the headphone:

 

Some Difference Between the Promotional Pictures and Actual Sales Package

 

In some promotional pictures, the Edition 10 is shown to be in a wooden box with velvet lining in it. In the actual sale package, it comes in a wooden box with black foam interior instead.

 

In some promotional pictures, the Edition 10 is shown with a silver and blue headphone connector, In the actual package, it comes with a black connector instead.

 

Headband

 

The headband is similar (maybe it is the same) to the one used in Edition 8. The upper portion is fully covered with leather and the lower part is carved out from a single block of metal.

 

Earpad

 

The earpad is like what the OP has described, very well done. The spacing of the 'holes' on the earpad are very precisely and meticulously done.

 

Placement of Holes on the MU Metal Plate

 

The placement of the holes on the MU metal plate is different from the Edition 9. On the Edition 9, the holes are in the center of the plate towards the bottom (Similar as the HFI-780). On the Edition 10, the holes are placed towards the bottom left hand corner of the MU metal plate (Similar to Edition 8).

 

Cable

 

The cable is quite is rather thick but flexible. It started from the bottom of each ear cup and is joined by an aluminium block into a single cable (See Below Y-cable configuration). The connector is made up of two pieces - one plastic and the other metal. At the end of the connector is a gold plated 6.3mm plug. Unlike the Sennheiser HD800 or AKG K701, the cables cannot be removed.

 

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Outer Earcup

 

The butterfly gills are very well executed and the wooden inlays adds a touch of class to the outer earcups. Luckily, the ruthenium plating used in Edition 10 is matt and not the gloss plating of Edition 9 which is a fingerprint magnet.

 

Comfort

 

I have quite wide ears and do not have any problems with the fit of the ear cups. I find that the ear pads of Edition 9 is a little tight for me. It reminds me more of the AKG K701 ear pads but slightly less tight than AKG K701.

 

Leather

 

The leather tends to stain. Two days back, I wore the headband with wet hair and certain parts of the headband was stained by the water to a darker brown color . Luckily, the leather reverted to its normal color after the water had dried.

  

Overall Quality

 

The headphone appears to be solidly built and is quite light considering its size.

 

Balanced Configuration

 

I asked Ultrasone AG through my local agent about the possibility to convert the 6.3mm jack to a balanced XLR configuration. They replied that it is possible. Here is their reply :

 

Balanced ready means that the Edition10 cable is already constructed with separated ground wires.
 
To convert to balanced XLR connectors, the 6.3mm plug need to be cut off. The cable contains two thinner cables with each channel and shielding. On each of these cables a 3pin XLR plug need to be assembled. Here`s the pin assignment:
 
XLR for left channel: Blue wire to pin2, shielding wire to pin 3
 
XLR for right channel: Green wire to pin 2, shielding wire to pin 3
 
We recommend to protect the thin cables with additional isolation tube or shrink tube.


It looks like the Edition 10 have the necessary wiring to convert into balanced XLR configuration.

 

Thank you for reading and a pleasant day ahead! 

post #115 of 2067
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Um... okay. I guess it's up to me then to look into it and then share those findings with everyone here.

 

Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems like the soundstage shouldn't get smaller with use. I've read some reports by HeadphoneAddict (I'm pretty sure it was from Larry) that his Proline Ultrasone---the 2500 was is?---actually DID get worse after burn-in.

 

One of the main draws of the Edition 10 for me was that it was touted as "similar to the Edition 8 with an expansive soundstage." If the soundstage gets more constricted with use, that's going to be a major detractor for me.

 

Either way, I won't know until I hear for myself. Which will hopefully be soon.


Perhaps what is occurring is that maybe the ED10s treble is smoothing out as the drivers become more supple with use and the corresponding smoother treble is being interpreted as a smaller soundstage?  Treble characteristics seem to sway a lot of peoples opinion about soundstage.

post #116 of 2067

I actually don't lik ethat they are using the shield as the negative wir in the balance configuration. If it was really wired for balance they should have two wire per channel and the shield. The shield coul dbe left alone or connected to pin 1 in the XLR connector.

 

Remembr that in a balnce configuration the negative is not really ground but the same signal as in the positive but inverted. I would not like to carry signal in the shield. Jut my opinion.
 

post #117 of 2067
Thanks Dynamic74 for those impressions. It sounds like the build is quite nice, and I'm glad it's terminated in a 1/4" config. I'm interested in your further analysis as you burn them in!
post #118 of 2067

@Dynamic74

 

Thanks for the detailed writeup.  So, the headphone stand shown in the initial pictures is now considered optional or included also?

post #119 of 2067
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@Dynamic74

 

Thanks for the detailed writeup.  So, the headphone stand shown in the initial pictures is now considered optional or included also?



The magnificent zebrano wood headphone stand is part of the package too. It comes with four nice little rubber buttons as feet too!

post #120 of 2067

My Ultrasone Edition 10 (E10) had passed its first 100 hours today. I will share some findings on the first 100 hours on the E10. I found out that between 40-60 hours, the E10 are at its worst since I first took it out of the box. Things started to improve from that point on. So it is quite true that somebody in this thread mentioned that you need at least 80-100 hours burn in on the E10. Please don't be too surprised when you read the paragraph below as they only represent my own experiences. 

 

Between 40-60 hours

 

I found that the vocals and instruments seemed to be closer to each other than from my first listening session when the vocals and instruments appear to placed further apart. During this period, on certain vocal recordings, there were pronounced 'tsh', 'chi' and 'shh', better known as the dreaded S - Sibilance. This phenomenon was reported to have been present in quite a few other Ultrasone headphones. Sibilance is quite present in a few recordings. All this may be due to the changing treble and high mid patterns.

 

After 100 hours

 

Sibilance is now absent in those recordings that used to have them earlier on. One problem down. The placement of vocals and instruments seemed to have increased further apart past the point when I first got them. I think that the soundstage will continue to improve from my experience with the Ultrasone Edition 9 (E9). The sound at this point may be described as transparent, forward, multi-layered, smooth and silky. The E9 never reached this point of refinement even after 300 hours of burn-in.

 

Comparison with the E9

 

The major advantage the E10 had over the E9 is the refined treble that is quite noticeable even when I first listened to the E10. I would add that the bass of the E10 is no slouch either. At times, the strong bass of the E9 intruded into the lower mids. This does not happened in the E10 which results in cleaner lower mids.

 

One observation that I made is there is a slight ringing or vibration when the E9 plays low bass notes that is absent in the E10. This may be due the improved housing of the E10 - the so-called gill openings in the outer ear cup - that is less affected by resonance. This results in clearer and more transparent bass in the E10.

 

Well, I am glad that I been through this first 100 hours with the E10. That is all I have for now. Enjoy reading and a pleasant day ahead!

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