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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

After trying and having few phones (brainwaz m2, panasonic RP-HJE900, UE TF10, CK10), still not satisfy with them.

Is there any phone with TF10 bass & soundstage and CK10 mid and high?

or can i reshell TF10 + CK10?

Hopefully it doesn't cost a bomb for me.

 

Please bear with my newbie questions.

 

Thanks in advanced.

post #2 of 16

How About SM3?

post #3 of 16

sounds like you would want to start saving up for a custom.

post #4 of 16

i cant think of anything that would be close to a ck10 and tf10 mix. It's not so simple to just add drivers in since there will need to be tuning but you can ask UM if they would be able to do something like that

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by yello131 View Post

How About SM3?


Yes, i'm considering this one also.

 

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Originally Posted by straden View Post

sounds like you would want to start saving up for a custom.



Oh, you mean universal IEM will not be enough?

How about SM3 / CK100 or UM3X?

 

 

Thanks for the response.

post #6 of 16

im sorry i dont have any experiences with them.

and as much as i like to try out them but for that cost.... I would rather get to custom field. (ive spent alot already for universal tf10, se530)

 

have you read reviews on westone es5, jh 13/16?


Edited by straden - 10/18/10 at 6:35pm
post #7 of 16

It sounds like what you would like is an SM3 or Shure SE530/535.

post #8 of 16

There isn't anything specific out there that will give you both of those things.  The CK10 is a bit unique in the level of detail and texture it provides.  I'm not sure if the drivers used in that earphone are used by any other manufacturer.  To get the level of the CK10, you basically need the CK10.

 

The Triple.Fi 10 is a fun earphone.  Frankly, I think the midrange and treble is good on the Triple.Fi 10.  You might just try EQing the Triple.Fi 10 some if you have that capability.  This can neutral out the earphone and let it produce a more analytical presentation.  That may be all that you need to keep what you like from the Triple.Fi 10 and have something a little less colored at the same time.

 

The CK100 could be an ineresting option relative to the CK10, but really it's just a different sound.  Mids and treble are good, but notes have some heartiness.  It doesn't have the same kind of note as the CK10 though.  It's just a more balanced, analytical UM3X for the most part both without the same kind of speed and texture of the CK10 nor the bass emphasis of the Triple.Fi 10.  It's just different, although extremely good.

 

I could toss in the RE252 into the mix as well.  Again, this is another great earphone with excellent midrange and treble quality.  It doesn't quite share the same level of detail and speed of the CK10, but really nothing does.  What the RE252 offers (with a good seal) is excellent balance with better low end presence and note impact.  It's not emphasized like the Triple.Fi 10, but it's not really lean either although it does roll off on the bottom end.  This has been one of my favorite IEMs.

 

The Custom 3 is another contender.  It is a bit of a rare BA earphone because it offers both a hearty, textured note as well as excellent balanced.  Compared to the CK10, the top end detail can sound a little thick, sluggish, but it's a good, robust note.  The sound stage is excellent too, better than the Triple.Fi 10.  While you can't really get another earphone with the CK10's speed, getting good texture and note presense is rare in a BA format.  The few that use drivers that offer good, articulate notes is kind of a blessing and worth a serious look.  At $100, these pretty much blow everything away and seriously complete against most of the high end earphones.  At a money's no object standpoint, these are definitely in the top 5 for univesal IEMs.  They're that good.

 

I can't say I've used much else worth discussing here.  The IE8 isn't a good fit.  The SE530 isn't either.  I doubt the SE535 is either despite a little better treble presence.  I haven't used the SM3, but I have the feeling the mids and treble won't be enough for you given how some people describe them.  Let's see, what else...  Well, you might keep any eye on the new Sleek Audio SA7 coming out.  I'm a fan of the SA6, and stepping to a dual driver format should bring out the bass and treble versus what the SA6 offered.  No real reviews yet, but it might be a product of interest for you.  I could call the RE-ZERO an option.  It isn't top level but is very good at the $100 price point, very detailed, clean, decently robust and dynamic note, and a decent sound stage.  Bass won't be as pronounced as you may seek, but it's well balanced.  I feel the Custom 3 offers a little more though at the same price point.

 

I wish I could tell you that IEM X was a perfect match to what you're looking for, but I just haven't found something.  There's a lot of great earphones out there, but they're all different.  You may not find your perfect.

post #9 of 16


thanks alot for the valuable information!

do you have experiences with different custom iems as well?

if so, how do they differ from these top tier universal?

 

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Originally Posted by mvw2 View Post

There isn't anything specific out there that will give you both of those things.  The CK10 is a bit unique in the level of detail and texture it provides.  I'm not sure if the drivers used in that earphone are used by any other manufacturer.  To get the level of the CK10, you basically need the CK10.

 

The Triple.Fi 10 is a fun earphone.  Frankly, I think the midrange and treble is good on the Triple.Fi 10.  You might just try EQing the Triple.Fi 10 some if you have that capability.  This can neutral out the earphone and let it produce a more analytical presentation.  That may be all that you need to keep what you like from the Triple.Fi 10 and have something a little less colored at the same time.

 

The CK100 could be an ineresting option relative to the CK10, but really it's just a different sound.  Mids and treble are good, but notes have some heartiness.  It doesn't have the same kind of note as the CK10 though.  It's just a more balanced, analytical UM3X for the most part both without the same kind of speed and texture of the CK10 nor the bass emphasis of the Triple.Fi 10.  It's just different, although extremely good.

 

I could toss in the RE252 into the mix as well.  Again, this is another great earphone with excellent midrange and treble quality.  It doesn't quite share the same level of detail and speed of the CK10, but really nothing does.  What the RE252 offers (with a good seal) is excellent balance with better low end presence and note impact.  It's not emphasized like the Triple.Fi 10, but it's not really lean either although it does roll off on the bottom end.  This has been one of my favorite IEMs.

 

The Custom 3 is another contender.  It is a bit of a rare BA earphone because it offers both a hearty, textured note as well as excellent balanced.  Compared to the CK10, the top end detail can sound a little thick, sluggish, but it's a good, robust note.  The sound stage is excellent too, better than the Triple.Fi 10.  While you can't really get another earphone with the CK10's speed, getting good texture and note presense is rare in a BA format.  The few that use drivers that offer good, articulate notes is kind of a blessing and worth a serious look.  At $100, these pretty much blow everything away and seriously complete against most of the high end earphones.  At a money's no object standpoint, these are definitely in the top 5 for univesal IEMs.  They're that good.

 

I can't say I've used much else worth discussing here.  The IE8 isn't a good fit.  The SE530 isn't either.  I doubt the SE535 is either despite a little better treble presence.  I haven't used the SM3, but I have the feeling the mids and treble won't be enough for you given how some people describe them.  Let's see, what else...  Well, you might keep any eye on the new Sleek Audio SA7 coming out.  I'm a fan of the SA6, and stepping to a dual driver format should bring out the bass and treble versus what the SA6 offered.  No real reviews yet, but it might be a product of interest for you.  I could call the RE-ZERO an option.  It isn't top level but is very good at the $100 price point, very detailed, clean, decently robust and dynamic note, and a decent sound stage.  Bass won't be as pronounced as you may seek, but it's well balanced.  I feel the Custom 3 offers a little more though at the same price point.

 

I wish I could tell you that IEM X was a perfect match to what you're looking for, but I just haven't found something.  There's a lot of great earphones out there, but they're all different.  You may not find your perfect.

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by straden View Post

im sorry i dont have any experiences with them.

and as much as i like to try out them but for that cost.... I would rather get to custom field. (ive spent alot already for universal tf10, se530)

 

have you read reviews on westone es5, jh 13/16?


they are too expensive for me. must save very long smily_headphones1.gif

post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by LFF View Post

It sounds like what you would like is an SM3 or Shure SE530/535.



just order SM3. hopefully next week can come back with initial review.

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 

yes, no IEM is perfect (for everyone) and every IEM is unique.

i am okay to compromise not to get the best (10/10) from every IEM, but moderate good (8-9/10)

 

Will changing TF10 cable make a difference?

 

How about monster turbine copper? i read that also overall good.

I also have problem with IE8 fitting. somehow it can't be inserted properly to my ears.

 

I'll take note on CK100/RE252/Custom 3.

Hopefully can try it some day without buying it first.

 

Unfortunately i don't know many friends from my country that have advised IEMs. so head-fi is my main source of info.

 

Thanks for the advice.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by mvw2 View Post

There isn't anything specific out there that will give you both of those things.  The CK10 is a bit unique in the level of detail and texture it provides.  I'm not sure if the drivers used in that earphone are used by any other manufacturer.  To get the level of the CK10, you basically need the CK10.

 

The Triple.Fi 10 is a fun earphone.  Frankly, I think the midrange and treble is good on the Triple.Fi 10.  You might just try EQing the Triple.Fi 10 some if you have that capability.  This can neutral out the earphone and let it produce a more analytical presentation.  That may be all that you need to keep what you like from the Triple.Fi 10 and have something a little less colored at the same time.

 

The CK100 could be an ineresting option relative to the CK10, but really it's just a different sound.  Mids and treble are good, but notes have some heartiness.  It doesn't have the same kind of note as the CK10 though.  It's just a more balanced, analytical UM3X for the most part both without the same kind of speed and texture of the CK10 nor the bass emphasis of the Triple.Fi 10.  It's just different, although extremely good.

 

I could toss in the RE252 into the mix as well.  Again, this is another great earphone with excellent midrange and treble quality.  It doesn't quite share the same level of detail and speed of the CK10, but really nothing does.  What the RE252 offers (with a good seal) is excellent balance with better low end presence and note impact.  It's not emphasized like the Triple.Fi 10, but it's not really lean either although it does roll off on the bottom end.  This has been one of my favorite IEMs.

 

The Custom 3 is another contender.  It is a bit of a rare BA earphone because it offers both a hearty, textured note as well as excellent balanced.  Compared to the CK10, the top end detail can sound a little thick, sluggish, but it's a good, robust note.  The sound stage is excellent too, better than the Triple.Fi 10.  While you can't really get another earphone with the CK10's speed, getting good texture and note presense is rare in a BA format.  The few that use drivers that offer good, articulate notes is kind of a blessing and worth a serious look.  At $100, these pretty much blow everything away and seriously complete against most of the high end earphones.  At a money's no object standpoint, these are definitely in the top 5 for univesal IEMs.  They're that good.

 

I can't say I've used much else worth discussing here.  The IE8 isn't a good fit.  The SE530 isn't either.  I doubt the SE535 is either despite a little better treble presence.  I haven't used the SM3, but I have the feeling the mids and treble won't be enough for you given how some people describe them.  Let's see, what else...  Well, you might keep any eye on the new Sleek Audio SA7 coming out.  I'm a fan of the SA6, and stepping to a dual driver format should bring out the bass and treble versus what the SA6 offered.  No real reviews yet, but it might be a product of interest for you.  I could call the RE-ZERO an option.  It isn't top level but is very good at the $100 price point, very detailed, clean, decently robust and dynamic note, and a decent sound stage.  Bass won't be as pronounced as you may seek, but it's well balanced.  I feel the Custom 3 offers a little more though at the same price point.

 

I wish I could tell you that IEM X was a perfect match to what you're looking for, but I just haven't found something.  There's a lot of great earphones out there, but they're all different.  You may not find your perfect.

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

hi all, just received my SM3.

 

Initial preview

 

Fit:

Only can fit into my ear using default Comply tips. frown.gif

 

Sound reproduction:

Netral and good but nothing special. Feel CK10 and TF10 are more fun.

 

I'll give up to 50hours burn in before listening again.

I am not sure if the money well spent. frown.gif

post #14 of 16

It will be, at least most of the time (since what you hear is going to be subjective). Many of SM3 users weren't exactly impressed with it out of the box, including me. Give it a few days - a week, I'm not sure of the reason behind it (be it, burn in, or brain acclimatization), it'll open up to you and you'll grow to love the SM3s. I had the TF10s before the SM3s and I can probably see why you'd say the TF10's are more fun, it sounds to a certain extent, colored and there is more emphasis in the bass and the highs if I'm not wrong. The SM3's on the other hand, lack that bit of grit which to me translates into music that is liquid and smooth, albeit lacking a bit of sparkle in the highs which some people are looking for. 

 

The bass in the SM3s, I feel are a marvel to behold and has an edge over that of TF10s which can sound uncontrolled in comparison. It's fast, well-controlled and impactful.I've only heard the CK10's for a while, but in my memory serves me well, it was quite light in bass (pardon me if I'm wrong) which was not to my taste. I'm not a basshead but I'd love a certain level of bass in what I hear.

 

To me, the SM3's were almost clearly better than the TF10's (a statement some might dispute), they gave me more fun, enjoyment and self-indulging sessions that the TF10's did when I was on the go.

 

The kind of musical representation one likes is subjective yes, but I hope you'll come to enjoy the SM3's like I did. : D

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by izaku View Post

hi all, just received my SM3.

 

Initial preview

 

Fit:

Only can fit into my ear using default Comply tips. frown.gif

 

Sound reproduction:

Netral and good but nothing special. Feel CK10 and TF10 are more fun.

 

I'll give up to 50hours burn in before listening again.

I am not sure if the money well spent. frown.gif


 

post #15 of 16

Give them some time, they are very very good.

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