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is there a reason not to use a boost convertor in a cmoy?

post #1 of 17
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i see people recommend having two 9v batteries so it'll have an 18v supply which will give you more cushion space for non ideal stuff going on. is there any reason not to have one 9v battery and a boost convertor to give you a higher supply voltage? all i can think of is shorter battery life.

 

i ask because i want to build a cmoy for use at work, but i dont want to deal with batteries. buying a wall wart to use as my supply pretty much doubles the cost of building the cmoy though, so i was thinking of powering it through usb, getting 5v and running that through a boost convertor to get a higher supply voltage to power the cmoy. is there some fundamental reason why this wouldn't work or would be a bad idea that i'm overlooking?

post #2 of 17

Some people do use boost converters in their portable amps.

I don't see how it would be an advantage in a wall powered

situation though. Higher voltage and current are available

cheaply from a wall wart. It seams to be adding complexity

for no real gain. Wall warts can be found for free it you

check your junk box or ask your friends...

In a battery powered scenario, it would be best used when

you have low voltage, high current batteries like NiMH. This

would allow you to have a "charge from USB" battery and still

have a high voltage available.

The power available from USB is 5 volts at 500 mA. If the boost

converter draws more than 500 mA it will shut down the USB port.

 

Just my thoughts...

post #3 of 17

Sounds like you are trying build a Carrie

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

@avro: i'm pretty sure (not 100%) that a cmoy + boost convertor shouldnt draw anywhere close to 500mA, so i should be good there. none of my friends are into diy or anything like that, so none of them would have any wall warts for me to get for free. and yes i do realize they are pretty cheap to buy, but considering how cheap the cmoy is to build it'd be pretty much doubling the cost of the build. and a wall wart is a lot bulkier than a usb cable to carry in a laptop bag or something like that.

 

@cobalt: thanks for that link smily_headphones1.gif

post #5 of 17

Boosting USB 5VDC to a more "desirable" voltage works just fine. People don't like it around here because:

 

1, none of the DIY audio cult leaders have ever done it; and

2, most people have completely irrational prejudices against both computer power and switchmode power supplies.

 

Also, be aware that getting interesting voltages from 5VDC will inevitable cost you a couple bucks (minimum $15 USD or so, minimum around $20 for split +/- voltages) so if you're trying to save a couple bucks on the price of a CMoy... go to a thrift store and drop two bucks on a wall wart, and order a TLE2426. Or "splurge" and get a 19VDC laptop power supply on eBay for $10, shipped, and order a TLE2426 to split it, and you'll still come out ahead.

post #6 of 17

I never meant to say that it wouldn't work...just check that your boost

converter doesn't draw more than 500 mA...

You don't have to be a DIYer to have unused wall worts laying around...

And of course, you reasons for want to do it this way are quite valid.

I just like playing devils advocate.
 

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Originally Posted by Soymilk View Post

@avro: i'm pretty sure (not 100%) that a cmoy + boost convertor shouldnt draw anywhere close to 500mA, so i should be good there. none of my friends are into diy or anything like that, so none of them would have any wall warts for me to get for free. and yes i do realize they are pretty cheap to buy, but considering how cheap the cmoy is to build it'd be pretty much doubling the cost of the build. and a wall wart is a lot bulkier than a usb cable to carry in a laptop bag or something like that.

 

@cobalt: thanks for that link smily_headphones1.gif

post #7 of 17

Can I be a DIY "cult leader"?
 

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Originally Posted by Nemo de Monet View Post

Boosting USB 5VDC to a more "desirable" voltage works just fine. People don't like it around here because:

 

1, none of the DIY audio cult leaders have ever done it; and

2, most people have completely irrational prejudices against both computer power and switchmode power supplies.

 

Also, be aware that getting interesting voltages from 5VDC will inevitable cost you a couple bucks (minimum $15 USD or so, minimum around $20 for split +/- voltages) so if you're trying to save a couple bucks on the price of a CMoy... go to a thrift store and drop two bucks on a wall wart, and order a TLE2426. Or "splurge" and get a 19VDC laptop power supply on eBay for $10, shipped, and order a TLE2426 to split it, and you'll still come out ahead.

post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

heh well yeah after thinking about it i realize it probably wont be any cheaper than a wall wart, but it'll at least make the build more interesting than just doing another cmoy smily_headphones1.gif

plus i dont like wall warts. they're fat and cover up other spots on the power strips i have >:[

 

what did the carrie amp eventually flesh out into? i see from the first post that it was going to be a usb-powered three channel cmoy, did it change somewhere in the 55 pages of that thread? and out of curiosity, can someone link me to a good source for reading up on the mini^3 and what it has over the cmoy as far as design goes? what the hell i might as well go the extra step in derailing this thread now and ask, what other diy amps are there on the cheaper side? i can't imagine something cheaper than the cmoy, but i'm open to anything up to maybe like 50 bucks for parts not including power smily_headphones1.gif

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

hm, found the mini3's site at amb, from the looks of it as far as signal path goes it just has a buffered ground channel for difference from the cmoy; power supply will take me a bit longer to see what's going on in there tongue.gif

 

edit - oh hey if i scroll down there's descriptions for the different parts of the circuit lol.


Edited by Soymilk - 10/18/10 at 12:07pm
post #10 of 17

the power supply just has a separate voltage regulator and current limiter to charge the battery.
 

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Originally Posted by Soymilk View Post

hm, found the mini3's site at amb, from the looks of it as far as signal path goes it just has a buffered ground channel for difference from the cmoy; power supply will take me a bit longer to see what's going on in there tongue.gif

 

edit - oh hey if i scroll down there's descriptions for the different parts of the circuit lol.

post #11 of 17

Cmoy: about as basic an amplifier as can be made, though rarely made well.

Mini3: tightly-integrated portable-only Cmoy-esque design with active ground, no coupling caps, and built-in 9V charger and battery.

A47: Buffered CMoy. Mostly overlooked these days by people whose guru told them three-channel amps are where it's at.

Pimeta: tightly-integrated buffered amp(s) with active ground.

 

The Carrie is/was a USB-powered Mini3; I'm not sure if boards are available anymore.

 

Avro_Arrow: The Magic 8-Ball says... "Not Today". Sorry, maybe if you try harder. Or change your last name to "Millet". Or "Pass". biggrin.gif

post #12 of 17

Oh darn, I guess I'll just have to keep trying...

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

what does buffering do for each channel? i get what the point of the active ground is but i havent seen any explanation for buffered channels as of yet redface.gif is it a different method of eliminating crosstalk? also, what do you mean by "tightly integrated" for the pimeta?

post #14 of 17

"Buffering" increases the current output capability and also has the

benefit of eliminating thermal and loading effects from the op amp.

You can also control the bandwidth by using a multi-loop buffer.

A buffer can be either an IC or discrete components.

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

so it helps with driving heavier loads but doesnt really make a difference for a smaller load right? if that's the case i probably won't bother, i'll probably stick with my usb powered basic 2 channel cmoy that i had in mind at the start smily_headphones1.gif

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