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I'll also add that the people who miss out on events like this (no matter what the reason is) are missing out on a big opportunity every time. Meets and shows are a critical part of learning about headphones & gear in a way you just can't get from reading a forum, and the side-benefits to meeting people in person (including fellow Head-Fiers and vendors) just can't be put into words. I consider meets essential to every Head-Fier's existence.







I completely agree 100%! You really need to hear equipment for yourself. I went to my first meet (Seattle) this month and it really opened my eyes, or um ears! smily_headphones1.gif Hearing different setups for yourself not only let's you decipher differences, but let's you understand what you prefer, which oddly enough, you might not know until you hear first hand!



Wish I could have been there in CO. Let's see some more pics!
post #17 of 60
As always it was good to see then usual crowd and meet a few others. Most of my listening was to the speaker rigs. I did listen to the T1 and LCD-2 out of the Cary 300B and really enjoyed it. My favorite LCD-2 amp was the Rethm. Some of the best sound at CanJam along with Justin's BHSE/O2 rig. That is not completely true since JH Audio was there and the JH 13's are my favorite headphones. In combination with the Pico DAC, it's hard to beat the 13's.
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I pared down my pic count last night by more than 50%, but plenty are still left. Some of them, along with gear & show impressions, will probably be posted within a few days, though it may take a bit longer.

 

I saw and talked to quite a few more Head-Fiers at the show (on top of the local folks in Colorado) who haven't yet posted. It would seem that a lot of impressions are missing (of anything, doesn't have to be gear you know). wink.gif

 

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On another note, I forgot to bring my HD800 over to the to SPL Phonitor to compare to the T1 on that amp, sorry.  For someone with a T1 I think the SPL Phonitor is a nice choice, although I still preferred a few other amp/phones combinations to that - including the HD800 and HE-6 on my ZDT (or even the HE-6 on an EF5 amp for the way that it draws me into the music).


The amp was the SPL Auditor, not Phonitor, as could be seen on the amp's front panel. Also, I wrote a comparison review that included the HD800 and T1 on the Auditor and even went into more amp-specific detail on these posts:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800/75#post_6928382
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800/105#post_6985524


Edited by Asr - 10/19/10 at 5:12pm
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The amp was the SPL Auditor, not Phonitor, as could be seen on the amp's front panel. Also, I wrote a comparison review that included the HD800 and T1 on the Auditor and even went into more amp-specific detail on these posts:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800/75#post_6928382
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800/105#post_6985524


I'll be sure to put on my reading glasses next time.

post #20 of 60

 

Hi Guys:

 

I had a great time seeing you all on Sunday, which was the only day I could make it.  I’m always impressed how nice you all are to me when I only show up to meets like this one every now and then and bring the same gear every time!

 

Besides socializing and asking you all dumb questions, I spent most my time at the show trying to find some budget floor standing loudspeakers and a turntable I liked.

 

As far as stuff I listened to in the CanJam room, I briefly tried to see if I could find a full size headphone I liked as much as my JH13s.  Well, I was successful, but the only rigs I can say I definitively liked better (granted I only listened to about 5% of what was available in the room) were the Headamp BHSE/O2 combo and HPA’s O2/WES combo.  ASR’s LCD-2/Shciit combo was close, but when I plugged my JH13s into the Schiit (very impressive amp for the money, btw), I liked the JH13s better.  I really wish I could have spent more time listening to stuff that was unfamiliar to me (which is most of it), but I had to cover a lot of ground in one day.

 

As for my mission to find some interesting loudspeakers, the room seemed to be a-buzz about the Zu-audio OMENs.  I went and checked them out, and I was very impressed for a 1k speaker.  Thinking about grabbing a pair before the prices goes up, but a little worried about pairing them with my Krell KAV-400xi, since the OMENs seem to like low to mid power tube amps like the Peachtree Nova, which is what they were paired with at the show.  Any advice is welcome…  Also listened to the Quad 22L2s (2k) and the Gallo 3.5s (6k) and I enjoyed them all a ton, but the OMENs seemed to hold their own to me at a much lower price point, although the Quads were the prettiest to look at.  I’m sure I missed other contenders, but these where the ones on my radar – so many rooms to see; it is crazy.

 

On a logistical note, did any of you guys happen to pick up a Signal Cable digital coax (Silver Resolution) cable when finishing off the packing?  I ended up one short when I finally unpacked my stuff today.  I let Bryan (not sure of his head-fi name, but he was the guy who brought the audio-gd dac/amp) use it at one point, so it might have moved around somewhere after that. I also left two short extension power cables (the kind you use when your wall warts take up too much room on your power strip). 

 

Thanks again everyone.  I can’t wait to do it again next year and maybe I’ll be able to pull off multiple days.

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A quick suggestion regarding speaker shopping.. Don't limit yourself to floorstanders. I went looking for towers as you did, but ended up being blown away by a pair of very large bookshelves on stands. None of the full towers I tried even came close at double or triple the price. Just make sure you have a solid musical sub to pair with them as I did.

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A quick suggestion regarding speaker shopping.. Don't limit yourself to floorstanders. I went looking for towers as you did, but ended up being blown away by a pair of very large bookshelves on stands. None of the full towers I tried even came close at double or triple the price. Just make sure you have a solid musical sub to pair with them as I did.


The Era D5 on stands in the Peachtree room sounded very good.  I was looking for the subwoofer, and there wasn't one  http://signalpathint.com/index.php/Design-5-Series/

 

When I went back later they did have multiple pairs of speakers playing at the same time, but I'm 100% sure it was only the two satellites playing when I did my first audition and spoke to the sales rep.  With as low as they play, your sub can cover just the bottom two octaves and that's it.

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Yes, my sub is crossed over at ~50hz so it only plays truly sub-bass.

 

FYI, the speakers I ended up with were the Paradigm Studio 40 v.4. Original price was somewhere around $2000 no stands plus tax. I paid $1400 with free stands tax included. Offering cash is such a good way to get good deals.


Edited by Maxvla - 10/19/10 at 10:04pm
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Did High Resolution Technologies were there? Did they introduce the HD dac?

post #25 of 60

There were a really nice sounding pair of Selah monitors (not sure which model) at the show.  I gave them some real consideration but opted for the Zu Soul Superfly.

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My belated impressions (sorry for their lateness):

 

I was at the show all day Saturday and Sunday.  I spent most of my time in the CanJam room, but also roamed around and listened to speakers.  I ended up mostly on the 4th floor for the speakers, because Madisound, Zu Audio, Rethm, and several others I wanted to hear were all on that floor.  New things I heard:

 

Sennheiser 598 - I really like the look of these.  They are a cream color with brown details, very tasteful and modern looking without looking "phat" or "spaceman".  As far as the sound, I was mildly impressed but not blown away.  They have good clarity, good frequency balance, and a fairly neutral sound signature.  I suspect they'll get pretty good reviews.  The bass detail was IMO good but not great.  In the low end I like them less than my Grado 225s.  And that's overall the level I'd place them in performance.  If they were $200 headphones they'd have a good market niche.  Which brings me to complain about the price.  I heard that they are going to retail for over $300, which IMO is too expensive for their performance level.  I like them less than the HD600 by a fair margin, and they are likely going to be more expensive.

 

EDIT: I thought about what I wrote above, and wanted to make an addendum.  The 598's, I still believe, are comparable in performance to a $200 headphone.  But they also look great in a way that's not blingy, and are very comfortable.  So for those attributes, they may be worth their asking price.  For people who are looking for a fashionable comfortable headphone and "good enough" performance, they should do well.

 

HiFiMan RE-262 - Jude was nice enough to let me borrow these for a day, and I spent 3-4 hours listening to them.  My first comment is that, for me, they are extremely difficult to get a seal with.  They only fit in the ears in one particular position, so they require tips that are sized perfectly for your ears in exactly that position.  I tried all of the HiFiMan tips, as well as Sony hybrids.  The large Sony hybrids fit the best, but I still had to put a finger on the left earphone to keep it in place.  Luckily I have custom molded tips the right size for the 262, so I was able to use those.

 

Once I had a proper fit, the sound was excellent.  The frequency balance is decidedly colored, but wide and fun.  They have punchy bass with good extension, with a slight boost that doesn't stomp on the mids.  The highs are smooth but detailed.  They aren't as hyper detailed as the RE0, but they are smoother and less bright, and the detail is still very good.  I tried them with various styles of music (on shuffle), and they seemed to suit all genres really well.  I was very impressed.  (At this point, I'm hoping I win one of the pairs in the raffle.)

 

Ultimate Ears Custom Reference Monitors - I spent half an hour or so listening to the demo version of these around lunchtime on Sunday.  They are, IMO, UEs best custom earphone that I've tried.  The frequency balance is dead on perfect, as far as I can tell.  They have great bass impact without being too emphasized.  They have great detail without sounding too analytical and bright.  They are smooth and a touch laid back, unlike the JH13's which IMO are more punchy with a slight presence boost.  The UEs, I think, are a little smoother in the treble than the ES5s, though the ES5s have an extreme level of detail there and are probably still the ones that I will buy.  Overall, though, if I was going with Ultimate Ears, the Reference Monitors would be my choice.  They are very good.

 

Grado HF2 (Jude's Serial Number 1) - These lived on my CTH most of the weekend, and I listened to them many times.  The HF2s a little bit of a departure from the normal Grado house sound.  The bass detail is different somehow, and the frequency balance isn't typical Grado.  I personally really enjoy Grados in general, and my 225s are some of my most used cans.  The HF2s are different, but excellent in their own way.  They are fun and deep sounding, but still detailed and clear.  I'd put them on par with the RS1's, or something like at DT880.  They are, IMO, a great value at the price they sell for.  I've been pondering getting some while they are still available.

 

I also listened to some amps, though I didn't take notes or compare with similar headphones, so I won't comment on them unless one comes up in discussion.

 

As far as speakers, my two favorites were the new Rethms and the Soul Superfly by Zu.  The Rethms have sort of subtle detailed presentation, with great soundstage and lots of ambience.  They are awesome.  The Soul Superflies by Zu blew me away though.  They combine a fun presentation with an extreme level of transient response and dynamics.  And they are "musical" in a way that is hard to explain in text.  There is a high probability of some Zu Audio speakers in my future.

 

Overall, RMAF was a great time, with great conversation, music, gear, and information.  Well worth the time.  Thanks to everyone for making it great.


Edited by barleyguy - 10/21/10 at 12:31pm
post #27 of 60

Hi everyone,

 

CanJam@RMAF was my first meet and I had a great time meeting all the Head-fi'ers as well as the other participating vendors. I knew that Jude would set up a rig with the HD 598 but I still brought along the HD 598 / HD 558 / HD 518 to the show.

 

All in all, I was impressed with the various systems on display and am now considering to get a nice tube amp for myself.

 

Hopefully we'll get to do this all over again soon!

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Sennheiser 598 - I really like the look of these.  They are a cream color with brown details, very tasteful and modern looking without looking "phat" or "spaceman".  As far as the sound, I was mildly impressed but not blown away.  They have good clarity, good frequency balance, and a fairly neutral sound signature.  I suspect they'll get pretty good reviews.  The bass detail was IMO good but not great.  In the low end I like them less than my Grado 225s.  And that's overall the level I'd place them in performance.  If they were $200 headphones they'd have a good market niche.  Which brings me to complain about the price.  I heard that they are going to retail for over $300, which IMO is too expensive for their performance level.  I like them less than the HD600 by a fair margin, and they are likely going to be more expensive.

 

EDIT: I thought about what I wrote above, and wanted to make an addendum.  The 598's, I still believe, are comparable in performance to a $200 headphone.  But they also look great in a way that's not blingy, and are very comfortable.  So for those attributes, they may be worth their asking price.  For people who are looking for a fashionable comfortable headphone and "good enough" performance, they should do well.

 

Technically the msrp of the 600s is over 500 and the 595 is over 300.  No real indication of what they will actually go for.  I think only the 800 really sells @ msrp.  Just saying... not that I really have any interest in a 598 myself.  They are almost certainly not going to be more expensive than an hd600.

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Technically the msrp of the 600s is over 500 and the 595 is over 300.  No real indication of what they will actually go for.  I think only the 800 really sells @ msrp.  Just saying... not that I really have any interest in a 598 myself.  They are almost certainly not going to be more expensive than an hd600.

 

Street price on an HD600 ranges from $215 to $275.   The 598 will initially be more expensive than that, as far as I can tell.  Though maybe not.
 

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Most of my time was spent talking but I did get a chance to listen to the Audeze LCD2 for the first time as they were everywhere.  I listened to them at Drew's table with his Cary 300SEI and that combination was unbelievable.  I listened to 2 different pairs at the at the ALO / Audeze table; one with the new RX MK II / Solo with the old ALO wire and the other with the Red Wine amplifier.(can't remember which one) with Ken's new wire.  In either case, they still sounded fabulous.  I also spent the most time with balanced LCD2s at Ray's table with his new SR-71B connected balanced to his Meridian G08 player.  Again, this was to die for.  Both at Ray's and Drew's table, they were using Drew's latest version of his Silver Dragon headphone cable for the LCD2.  I don't think I ever listened to them with the stock cable.  I now better understand all the positive comments about these headphones.  All the amplifiers were great too.

 

I also spent time at Fang's Head-Direct both listening to the HE-6s and they also sounded wonderful. 

 

If I had to pick just one, it would be tough but I still really enjoy my balanced T1 with the Zeus cable so at this point, I am not running out to pick up either pair but will keep it in the back of my mind.

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