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Sony Discman D-33: Come for the pics, stay for the impression!

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Well... always wanted a vintage Discman. Seems like my little vintage PCDP craze is still going.

Seeing the D-555 going for 500 bucks on the Bay, well... I ain't got the Orion Blue Book but that's just one huge ripoff. A Marantz CD500x costs less and probably sounds better.

So basically I went to a local old electronics shop, hoping to find a new-old receiver to replace my Lloyd's. Yeah the tuner part is half-dead (no FM-Stereo) so maybe all I needed was a new-old tuner.

Anyway.

With no eligible units, I walked out of the shop, only to see a small black square in a Clearance basket right by the door. What do you know, a Discman. Old one, also.

So basically, guys, don't trip out on the D-555. The humble little D-33 also has the 8 times oversampling and Dual D/A converter system found in the D-555.

Pics. Guest starring: Marantz PCD520, Panasonic SL-S370 and SL-CT710.

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So basically the first thing I did when I came home was to crack it open. Yeah, curiosity often gets me in knee-deep water but what the hey. Removed screws and the metal back-plate. I am presented with many (I'd say some 250) test points (or really big soldering points). There was a screw holding down this PCB, but I cannot un-mount the PCB for some reason. So I peeked in there with a flashlight and saw a bunch of thru-hole electrolytic caps. Didn't see the dual DAC system, or any chips, for that matter.

Oh yeah. Back-plate is metal but the rest is black polycarbonate.

The laser assy is sprung with three (six?) springs. A bit stiff, but works fine.

CD player takes 4 AA batteries. When fully loaded (batts + CD), the CD player weighs:

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A bit more than 535 grams. No doubt that with Energizer Lithiums it will weigh less.

So, yeah, that. Enough with the info, now, impression.

Only the Monster Turbine Pro-Gold, directly driven, is used in the following impression. Because I am lazy.

Bass. The D-33 is very capable of pounding out bass, even with the Bass Boost at 'Normal' (there is no Off). The Discman D-33 delivers the most powerful bass in any arguably portable device I have heard to date. That includes the HM-801 and the PCM-D50. This bass, however, focuses mostly on impact. The PCD520, in comparison, has a more even bass signature, being less impactful but with more depth and texture. Cellos sound more realistic on the PCD520.

So the D-33 is rather midbass-humped. In contrast the post-2000 SL-CT710 needs to have its S-XBS effect turned on to achieve the same level of impact. The good thing is that this bass doesn't affect the rest of the spectrum, and it is quite responsive depending on the type of music (and passage) it is being fed. The bass comes alive when it is needed and shuts up when it is not. This is the kind of bass I wanted for a long time.

Midrange, well, sounds a bit distant. The midrange is a bit odd, I don't know how to describe it exactly, but vocals always keep a little distance while on the other players, vocals can get much more intimate. I'm not saying that the midrange is bad and hollow, no, just a bit different from what I was used to. It's like switching from highly diluted green tea to pure water: you don't lose much, but you still lose that little something. Nelly Furtado sounds a bit less energetic on this player.

Treble. The treble is very well present here, and I could say that it is clearer than my other players (except the setup in my sig). Listen to some trance: when the sparkly treble part comes in, I feel like looking at a wall full of colorful glitter (yes, I know that sounds queer). The treble has a good sense of distance, too: instead of a wall, maybe I should'v said a cave. Best of all, the treble has non of the old 'brick wall analog filter' artifacts, probably because of the oversampling. I've been reading through some threads on sampling.

Sound stage would be 'medium-to-large'. A bit like a big solid box around my head: not completely open and infinite (I am using IEMs), but big enough to be quite enjoyable. Dimensionality, separation and location is also quite good. So What (Kind of Blue) feels quite envelopping.

Overall the whole sound signature seems to be fore suited for the SE530, lol. It should even out the midrange and bring out the treble a bit. I shall try listening with SE530 later.

Well right now that's it folks. The spring-sprung suspention is actually better than that of the PCD520. It does skip when you walk with it, but not a lot. Most skipping happens on stairs.

Chime in. Hope you enjoyed reading!

post #2 of 12

Thanks, that was a good read 

post #3 of 12

I have to wonder, with all the new technology advances why can't manufacturers (at least sony) stay or get ahead in terms of SQ on the newer mp3 / pcdp players or whatever they make nowadays?

i mean, all the chips they can make nowadays they should at least be able to stay on par (if not ahead) against these old school players and its chips?

post #4 of 12

Big manufactory has the technology.  But all of them focus on smaller size, better outlook to attract customer.

 

Output power is one of the big factor to SQ.  

In order to huge up the output power, it will  controvert to the battery life time and battery size.

 

But none of the current mp3 player has OPAMP built-in to the headphone port.

 

 


 

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Originally Posted by straden View Post

I have to wonder, with all the new technology advances why can't manufacturers (at least sony) stay or get ahead in terms of SQ on the newer mp3 / pcdp players or whatever they make nowadays?

i mean, all the chips they can make nowadays they should at least be able to stay on par (if not ahead) against these old school players and its chips?


Edited by faichiu - 10/17/10 at 6:27am
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

Basically we're sacrificing quality for versatility. Versatility being 'being able to do everything, but none of them right'. Look at your smart-phones.

In the future people will be listening to music, making calls, checking E-mail, Facebooking, ordering pizza, navigating by GPS and programming your DVR all on a device the size of your palm. Dedicated music players are dying, man. There are practically no new players. Even the 'new' ones are veering towards versatility (I'm lookin' at you, iTouch).

Players that focus on quality and quality alone will be extremely rare (and expensive).

It's already starting.

post #6 of 12

Nice find!

 

Hasn't it already started, though? In fact, aren't high quality, portable music products already hard/impossible to find?

post #7 of 12

sorry, i'm still new to this hobby so I don't have much insight

my next question is if i get a decent amp and pair with a mp3 player, it should match the SQ of these discmans?

since amps have needed power output (opamp)?

 

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Originally Posted by faichiu View Post

Big manufactory has the technology.  But all of them focus on smaller size, better outlook to attract customer.

 

Output power is one of the big factor to SQ.  

In order to huge up the output power, it will  controvert to the battery life time and battery size.

 

But none of the current mp3 player has OPAMP built-in to the headphone port.

 

 


 

post #8 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3602 View Post

Basically we're sacrificing quality for versatility. Versatility being 'being able to do everything, but none of them right'. Look at your smart-phones.

In the future people will be listening to music, making calls, checking E-mail, Facebooking, ordering pizza, navigating by GPS and programming your DVR all on a device the size of your palm. Dedicated music players are dying, man. There are practically no new players. Even the 'new' ones are veering towards versatility (I'm lookin' at you, iTouch).

Players that focus on quality and quality alone will be extremely rare (and expensive).

It's already starting.




It is exactly what I need, It's quite useful, Thanks for your analysis! Now I understand more about it.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

Well, glad you like it.

Anyway. Seeing this post bumped, I'm gathering some cash to go buy that nice shiny (NOS!) D-25 that ALO is selling. Because D-555 on the Bay is just one huge ripoff after another.

post #10 of 12

As this thread is about vintage Discmans here is a pic of mine that I posted in another thread.

 

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post #11 of 12

That white discman looks extremely elegant. Quite solid too.Hope it sounds as good as it looks.wink_face.gif

Sony dosent really make any beautiful machines these days.

post #12 of 12

Hey speaking of Vintage sony diskman. I have one that has an integrated TOSLINK output for minidisk or DAC from 1997. It's an ESP model. 

 

 I don't know how it compares to other models. 

 

       

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