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post #31 of 160
10/16/10 at 12:58am

It's all good my friend, and I still like it tho, but Android it is for me. I really wish this Nokia was Android, then I'd HAVE to have it!!!

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post #32 of 160
10/16/10 at 2:57am
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Actually N8's camera is average compared to the competition. Mobilereview.com has this opinion in the in depth camera review.


Well I totally disagree with mobilereview.com if you don't mind.


I'll post this video again:

http://dailymobile.se/2010/10/08/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-720p-hd-recording-sample/

 

More from egadget:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-cameraphone-fight/#3421939

 

And a blind test (you certainly need to check this one out):

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_vs_samsung_pixon12_vs_sony_dsc_hx5v-review-519.php

 

How can anyone think the n8 is an average camera phone, that's just plain ignorant!

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post #33 of 160
10/16/10 at 3:11am


 

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Well I totally disagree with mobilereview.com if you don't mind.


I'll post this video again:

http://dailymobile.se/2010/10/08/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-720p-hd-recording-sample/

 

More from egadget:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-cameraphone-fight/#3421939

 

And a blind test (you certainly need to check this one out):

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_vs_samsung_pixon12_vs_sony_dsc_hx5v-review-519.php

 

How can anyone think the n8 is an average camera phone, that's just plain ignorant!


 

I dont have fast speed to make my own decision. Maybe your true. And the three of them are quite good. Since the dedicate camera can't put down  the others two, maybe N8 can replace a camera.


Edited by Angelopsaro - 10/16/10 at 3:13am
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post #34 of 160
10/16/10 at 3:57am
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I dont have fast speed to make my own decision. Maybe your true. And the three of them are quite good. Since the dedicate camera can't put down  the others two, maybe N8 can replace a camera.


Well I think the n8 is capable of shooting some nice pics but a real (good) camera obviously is better than a mobile phone. I think that, in terms of mobile phones, the N8 really is something special with a hdmi output to show your 720p videos right to your tv ect.. The music player is the most important thing to me however. I wish Nokia could deliver a N8 type of phone that features, instead of a 12mp camera, really good SQ.  Basicaly I hope nokia will bring out a really good expressmusic phone. I get annoyed sometimes since I occasionally check what the mobile phone world has to offer and most of the phones deliver the exact same thing. A semi-nice camera a semi-nice music player ect. instead of just making phones with a specific highlight. I think samsung for instance doesn't shineout in any feature except for screens but when I listen to music that doesn't really matter does it? That's why I like nokia since they have the expressmusic line and their phones have good battery life which is rare to find these days. I friend of mine got his HTC desire last week, he has to charge it everyday and it features a massiv 1400mAh battery! The n8 can deliver 50 hours of music playback with a 1200mAh battery refering to the nokia site, it would be a bit less in reallife ofcourse. If it turns out the nokia N8 has very good SQ it would be my ideal phone.


 

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post #35 of 160
10/16/10 at 8:45am

50hrs of music playback time??? DAMN, that's excellent.

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post #36 of 160
10/16/10 at 8:47am

Concerning the SQ of newer Nokia models with TPA6130A2, it's volume control is I2C.. so set the volume on the phone at max and then use control on the headphone cable. A night and day difference, suspect that many use the phone volume control and are getting (IMHO) a lifeless boring sounding device.

 

The SQ difference are astounding, but I've not seen any mention it.. strange.

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post #37 of 160
10/16/10 at 8:49am

Here's a link to the full specs on GSM Arena's site for the Nokia N8 (impressive BTW): Nokia N8

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post #38 of 160
10/16/10 at 8:24pm

Hi Albedo, mind explaining what do u meant by bolded part?
 

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Concerning the SQ of newer Nokia models with TPA6130A2, it's volume control is I2C.. so set the volume on the phone at max and then use control on the headphone cable. A night and day difference, suspect that many use the phone volume control and are getting (IMHO) a lifeless boring sounding device.

 

The SQ difference are astounding, but I've not seen any mention it.. strange.

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post #39 of 160
10/17/10 at 1:11am


He means to set the volume on the phone to it's loudest, and then use an in-line adapter to control the volume. Some HP's have a volume control built into the HP's cord, and that would work also.

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Hi Albedo, mind explaining what do u meant by bolded part?
 


 
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post #40 of 160
10/17/10 at 9:19am

Yep, using the resistor on the HP-cable is a good idea. I'm suspecting that setting the resistor at zero and lowering the volume on the phone (I2C -> DAC) one looses bits, but I've only done a simple AB test with the volume at 50% vs. 100% and using the resistor.

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post #41 of 160
10/18/10 at 5:14am
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Yep, using the resistor on the HP-cable is a good idea. I'm suspecting that setting the resistor at zero and lowering the volume on the phone (I2C -> DAC) one looses bits, but I've only done a simple AB test with the volume at 50% vs. 100% and using the resistor.


 

I agree that the highest volume produces the best SQ with my expressmusic 5800 but since this phone doesn't handle the impedance of headphones well, as seen on the frequency response curve, makes it not the best idea to use a variable resistor I think. The best would be to use an amp since the phone won't have to deal with the impedance in this way.

 

The logical question would be: is this phone worth amping? I haven't listened to a ipod touch in line out mode but I didn't like the HO of the touch 3g. My nokia 5800 seems to pair better with my HD448. You can call me an idiot and I agree the ipod touch has way better soundstaging but I simply couldn't adapt to the sound of the Touch. The 5800 has some nice bass, powerful mids and soft highs. The touch wasn't warm, and although the soundstage was amazing and the sound very detailed the music just didn't came alive. The 5800 has a bit blurry sound which I am used to. This makes voices sound more realistic to me. The touch has more treble and voices where very detailed but they had a awful emphasis and they sounded to high IMO. The altogether music presentation of the 5800 is: a deep low range, powerfull mids, very smooth highs. With the touch: decent bass, very detailed cold mids, a bit harsh but  very detailed highs. With the 5800 a snare drum feels like a snare drum, with the touch this feeling was missing. Then I plugged both in to an amplifier hoping the sound of ipod would come alive. The sound of the ipod touch hardly changed however. With the 5800, now not bothered by impedance, the soundstage improved dramatic so the sound was even more pleasing. My conclusion was: with the ipod their was a lot of detail and a very good soundstage, the 5800 just got the sound that makes music come alive. the 5800 sounded more like the Arcam cd73, frequency response wise, than the touch did. I think the ipod would be the best choice for a headphone with a lot of bass but the HD448 almost has got none so that explains why I like the 5800 so much. Moreover if I owned a touch instead of the 5800 I would be more used to its sound.

I am going to get the Meier Corda Stepdance and I was thinking about buying a touch to go along with it but I'll stick with my 5800.

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post #42 of 160
10/18/10 at 9:26am

My buds are 16 ohm and the amplifier delivers 138 mW at that impedance, the nice thing about Nokia is the no-nonsense signal path.. DAC -> I2C -> amp with DirectPath™ (no output DC blocking capacitors) -> headphone. Using the variable resistor the volume are at least over 60% (over half of max), so in my case it's all good. I see no point in buying a Fiio E7, as the amp is the same... TPA6130A2. With my Sennheiser MX 880 I tend to regulate the volume somewhere under the in-build warning (left channel gets louder than the right for some time and when both are in unison it's painfully loud unless your drunk).

 

After using the resistor rather than the inbuildt volume I tend to get lost when walking, missing my destination and sometimes don't know where the heck I'm at.. had to use the GPS on one occasion. If I analyze the difference.. current option have more resolution, faster transients etc. it's so much more of everything that I see no point in going on with a description. The test at GSMArena uses a AKG 32 ohm headphone.. what frequency response curve are you referring to, what page are you on?

 

Here's the PDF -> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=tpa6130a2&fileType=pdf (as I see it I'm all good operating within 50 to 65 percent of max volume).

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post #43 of 160
10/19/10 at 3:50am
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I am referring to the curve I posted in the first post of this threat, I also use a 32ohm headphone. I wouldn't recommend the FiiO E7, though it probably has better driving capabilities than the latest nokia devices.  Do you know if the the Nokia 5800 has this TPA6130A2 amp? And since you seem to have some knowledge in electronics: do you know what the difference is between the HO and the so called LO of these Nokia devices?

 

 

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My buds are 16 ohm and the amplifier delivers 138 mW at that impedance, the nice thing about Nokia is the no-nonsense signal path.. DAC -> I2C -> amp with DirectPath™ (no output DC blocking capacitors) -> headphone. Using the variable resistor the volume are at least over 60% (over half of max), so in my case it's all good. I see no point in buying a Fiio E7, as the amp is the same... TPA6130A2. With my Sennheiser MX 880 I tend to regulate the volume somewhere under the in-build warning (left channel gets louder than the right for some time and when both are in unison it's painfully loud unless your drunk).

 

After using the resistor rather than the inbuildt volume I tend to get lost when walking, missing my destination and sometimes don't know where the heck I'm at.. had to use the GPS on one occasion. If I analyze the difference.. current option have more resolution, faster transients etc. it's so much more of everything that I see no point in going on with a description. The test at GSMArena uses a AKG 32 ohm headphone.. what frequency response curve are you referring to, what page are you on?

 

Here's the PDF -> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=tpa6130a2&fileType=pdf (as I see it I'm all good operating within 50 to 65 percent of max volume).

 

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post #44 of 160
10/19/10 at 6:45am

5800, N97, X6, etc all using TPA6130 while newer N8 using TPA6140.

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post #45 of 160
10/19/10 at 8:15am

mcmalden: My knowledge in electronic are not to be trusted, it's just Google skills. I've not seen any picture of the TPA6130A2 in a XM5800, but there are a few Chinese and Russian sites mentioning it. HO vs. LO.. I'm just guessing.. the PDF mention: "The HiZ state puts the outputs into a state of high impedance. Use this configuration when the outputs of the TPA6130A2 share traces with other devices whose outputs may be active. Furthermore, the output amplifiers must NOT be enabled". 

 

toughnut: What? 

 

I'm seeing that it only delivers 25 mW, that's under a third of the power that older phones (Nokia 5700) with the TPA4411 delivers. If this is true, it's certainly a downgrade and a major one, even PSRR (dB) are worse than my phone.

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