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post #466 of 987

I have such opinion. 

Kingwa has 40 fixed nfb-11.

20 from 40 it will send for general testing to customers and will wait their responses.

After the analysis of responses it will make decision - to send the others nfb-11,10 or not.

I am right?

post #467 of 987
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Originally Posted by CEE TEE View Post

 

QUESTION:  is the $275 pre-order still possible?

 

NFB-11 over Sparrow possibly- because I would like something that extends <just a bit more down low> and has a <bit more impact down low> + okay if more neutral than the WM chips in the Sparrow B...just means I'll add a little tube amp later.

 

(But even the $160 Sparrow B through optical input is surprisingly good!  Dunno, I might just get one.) 


Haven't listened to es9018 or wm8741 (darn it, a few more days for wm8741 module, though I placed order over 2 months ago hehe), but I think it is likely the wm8741 sparrow or nfb-12 will have bass that seems more immersive than es9018, but likely less tight. This is based on my experience of wm8740, and based on Kingwa's comparison of pcm1704 vs es9018 when I have listened to pcm1704 but not es9018. I presume you are using ad1852 dac chip in that sparrow b? Supposedly wm8741 is "in another league", and may be what you want.

 

If all you want is dac, I definitely suggest an audio-gd dedicated dac, not dac amp combo.


Edited by haloxt - 12/14/10 at 4:49am
post #468 of 987

@ haloxt, thank you for your thoughts!

 

Audio-GD replied to an email I sent last night VERY quickly and they said that they already had "too many pre-orders" and were still waiting for testing unit feedback before figuring out when they would allow more orders (and would I be interested in anything else).

 

If the WM8741 chips have a bit more bass extension and impact, that would be nice but I don't want anything warmer in the mid-range than the Sparrow B with AD chips.  Hmm, until I can listen to the dedicated Audio-GD units the $160 Sparrow could hold me over without losing very much $.  If I can just hold out until the Bay Area Meet, I'll probably change my mind after hearing even more good stuff.

 

I am now pretty excited about listening to all of the Audio-GD offerings, though...

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post #469 of 987

From what I read, the wm8741 sounds neutral, likely slightly more than ad1852, but I get the feeling es9018 will be even more neutral, maybe too sterile or revealing for your liking.

post #470 of 987

I owned Audio-GD FUN (single WM8741, sold some time ago), Meier Audio StageDAC (dual WM8741) and Cambridge Audio MagicDAC (dual WM8740).

 

Bass (and dynamic range in general) of StageDAC is stronger and tighter than MagicDAC but StageDAC is warmer than MagicDAC. Though both FUN and StageDAC share the same WM8741 DAC in different configurations, their sound signatures are quite different. I suppose implementation of supporting analog circuits has more influence than selection of DAC converter as far as sound signature is concerned.

 

I have made order for Audio-GD NFB-12 (dual WM8741 DACs with WM8805 S/PDIF receiver, discrete components for output stage), it will be interesting to compare it against Meier Audio StageDAC (dual WM8741 DACs with WM8804 S/PDIF receiver, integrated circuit components for output stage).

post #471 of 987

WooHoo!

 

Dear Sir,
The NFB-11 we had sent out yesterday.

The EMS tracking number of your package is xxxxxxxxxxx.Tracking web is http://www.ems.com.cn/english-main.jsp

The EMS will faster for update, you can check it on web tomorrow.

Best regards.


Audio-gd.

Edited by Sparky14 - 12/14/10 at 6:47pm
post #472 of 987

Congrats biggrin.gif

 

Regardless of the USB related issue, I am interested in more impressions... Keep us posted !!
 

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Originally Posted by Sparky14 View Post

WooHoo!

 

Dear Sir,
The NFB-11 we had sent out yesterday.

The EMS tracking number of your package is xxxxxxxxxxx.Tracking web is http://www.ems.com.cn/english-main.jsp

The EMS will faster for update, you can check it on web tomorrow.

Best regards.


Audio-gd.
post #473 of 987

Thanks, haloxt and littletree for stating some comparisons and differences between implementations of the same WM8741 chips in different products.

 

The Audio-GD website even speaks to this.  For the Sparrow- supposedly they had a warmer implementation of the WM chip in early versions and now a more neutral one.

 

SORRY:  Not trying to hi-jack the NFB-11 thread but these comparison questions on neutrality and extension can hopefully be answered as the pre-orders are going out now- congrats to those who have waited patiently!

 

I'll wait to see what NFB-11 recipients hear...

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post #474 of 987

I think for all the folks stressing out over the delays with the NFB-11, please remember that the first two batches of NFB-11 builds were being released as INTRODUCTORY pre-production products, and were NOT advertised or sold as stock items. For everyone out there who is complaining that Audio-GD ought to work the bugs out before they release products blah blah blah  please note that these were sold as pre-production units at introductory prices.  If you didn't want to be in the first batch as a beta tester more-or-less then you should have waited until the unit was actually released to full production or bought something else altogether.

 

It's a bit cloth-headed to pre-order a pilot production product that is marketed and sold as a limited introduction and then complain when the manufacturer delays shipping for some weeks while recently discovered bugs are ironed out.  Sheesh!

 

post #475 of 987

Got my tracking number today. But I'm on holidays myself. So I guess christmas comes early this year when I arrive home.happy_face1.gif

post #476 of 987
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Originally Posted by milosz View Post

I think for all the folks stressing out over the delays with the NFB-11, please remember that the first two batches of NFB-11 builds were being released as INTRODUCTORY pre-production products, and were NOT advertised or sold as stock items. For everyone out there who is complaining that Audio-GD ought to work the bugs out before they release products blah blah blah  please note that these were sold as pre-production units at introductory prices.  If you didn't want to be in the first batch as a beta tester more-or-less then you should have waited until the unit was actually released to full production or bought something else altogether.

 

It's a bit cloth-headed to pre-order a pilot production product that is marketed and sold as a limited introduction and then complain when the manufacturer delays shipping for some weeks while recently discovered bugs are ironed out.  Sheesh!

 



I agree with what you have said here.  I also have intentionally not jumped on some of the Beta programs because I didn't want to go thru the "FUN" of the beta, and I waited for production to start.

 

That being said, there have been numerous QC issues in some of the production models once they were released. A lot of them cosmetic, some design, some mechanical execution.   A-GD was of course Lamb-basted for these and we keep hoping their attention to detail will improve and QC will improve.

post #477 of 987

Are QC issues less prevalent in their higher end gear?

post #478 of 987

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post #479 of 987

Ah, the audio-gd Santa Gnome lives!

 

I hope "in limbo" is near California...hoping mine arrives today. Not the Santa Gnome.

post #480 of 987
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Are QC issues less prevalent in their higher end gear?



I would say no, not necessarily.

 

The Phoenix had mis-labeled outputs on it.  There are little paper stickers that say 4 or 5 on them.

 

The REF1 had XRL instead of XLR.

 

I repaired numerous stripped screws and screws that were screwed through the outer case into nothing on the inside(Phoenix).

 

The front panel on my REF1 was so loose when I got it, I thought it was going to come off when I picked it up out of the box.  All the fasteners were loose, the ones that were in place.  One had got loose and was making every attempt to sabotage the circuit board.  It was waiting on a power supply.  Had I turned it on, one channel would have likely gone POOF.

 

The first 10 Phoenix's had to have their protection caps all replaced.  Most users found this out when it quit working.  Mine are still humming along though.  I need to do them.  4 Caps need to be switched out.

 

The first big Reviews on the C-3/C-1 setup, the amp had to have extensive work on it because of the bias being off IIRC.

 

I will say that Audio-gd fixed all these under their dime, except the last one I mentioned.  They were very responsive.  I have zero complaints with their service. 

 

But sometimes when you get their gear it looks like it has been dragged all over the bench while it was being assembled.  Little buffs and scratches everywhere, as well as fingerprints.

 

I will say that when I got my Phoenix with paper stickers labeling on 2 of the outputs, I was pretty pissed off.  It ain't like it was missed at the factory.  They caught it, and put stickers on it, instead of replacing the back panels.   They deserve some grief over that decision IMO.

 

I really like their gear, but East/West philosophy must be different to send some of this out.  Attention to detail is at times lacking.  The current run of gear with the Cheap looking plastic switches on it mystifies me??  Great gear that looks like it was done by Fisher-Price or Kenmore...

 

Those switches look like they belong on a kitchen stove, and a cheap one at that....


Edited by les_garten - 12/21/10 at 2:14pm
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