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Will a good DAC have a clear impact on my mid-grade equipment?

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I was thinking about getting a Little Dot DAC II, which many on this site have raved about, and I was going to connect it to my macbook via S/PDIF using Amarra and iTunes as a source.  I have a pair of Shure SRH-840s which certainly are not Senn HD650s or AKG k701s but they are really good warm cans that don't shirk in the bass, mids or highs, which makes me qualify them as certifiably mid-grade (others may disagree).  I have a fiio E7, which actually still amazes me, and I was thinking about upgrading my home equipment to a real DAC.  Given my equipment (namely the headphones) will I see a marked improvement in the sound of my music, separation and soundstage using something like the Little Dot DAC II?  Or will the improvement be negligible over something like the Fiio E7 (please don't poop all over it just because its inexpensive... please only poop all over it if you've actually been able to compare the E7 to something like the Little Dot or comparable).

 

Thanks for the input!

post #2 of 21

Some people will try to tell you that you won't be able to hear the differences a good DAC can bring to the table if the rest of your chain isn't at the same level.  In my experience with various gear this is absolutely untrue.  I can certainly hear the difference.  But you need to quantify that difference.  The real question is whether or not you want to spend the money on a better DAC if the rest of the chain won't allow you to hear ALL that the DAC is capable of.

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I recommend getting better headphones first.
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I recommend getting better headphones first.


Currawong is correct.

 

USG

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thank you for the input.  So when you say getting better headphones are we talking Senn HD650s or 800s or are we talking AKG k701s.  Both I understand are good headphones, except they are definitely in different price brackets (if you go on ebay).

 

Also, are my headphones really the weakest link?  I know that many people don't know them very well, but they were $200+ headphones new and came highly recommended by several audiophiles.  They're newer, so many people haven't heard them or heard of them yet.

 

I guess what my meandering comes down to is a question of whether its really worth it to dropping $235 on AKGs if my current set of cans will do just fine.  Anyway, thank you for the input!

post #6 of 21

I wish I'd had a chance to try the Shures, but I haven't.  With Sennheiser, you have the HD-600 and HD-650.  People are very polarised about which is better -- certainly the HD-600s are better value, especially second-hand. They have different sound signatures but both will scale up as the quality of your other gear improves.

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I wish I'd had a chance to try the Shures, but I haven't.  With Sennheiser, you have the HD-600 and HD-650.  People are very polarised about which is better -- certainly the HD-600s are better value, especially second-hand. They have different sound signatures but both will scale up as the quality of your other gear improves.

 

In an earlier post Currawong is telling you to buy new headphones and yet here he admits "I wish I'd had a chance to try the Shures, but I haven't.". Hard to take that kind of advice seriously especially when many on these forums have had nothing but praise for the Shures isn't it?

 

In my experience - using less expensive headphones - I went from using headphones out of the built-in sound card on my computer and instead switched to an external amp/DAC the E-MU 0404USB. I was completely amazed at what a huge difference it made with all of my headphones (and tested to be the same on a couple of different computers as well). All of the headphones I own went from muffled sounding to having an open soundstage with great imaging and, well everything about the sound was improved. It was a night and day difference. Was it the amp or DAC or both?

 

So now that I think of it I can't actually answer your original question not being familiar with your current equipment or the DAC you are thinking about getting.
 


Edited by runswithaliens - 9/30/10 at 5:24pm
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In an earlier post Currawong is telling you to buy new headphones and yet here he admits "I wish I'd had a chance to try the Shures, but I haven't.". Hard to take that kind of advice seriously especially when many on these forums have had nothing but praise for the Shures isn't it?

 

<snip>

 

So now that I think of it I can't actually answer your original question ....................


Take it seriously.  It was good advice.

 

USG

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

I think I am going to wait on the DAC at least for a while... maybe if I come into $300 in my travels I'll pick it up.  Apparently the DACII has a very similar output to my little dot I+ minus the tubes, so it will be nice to compare the two side by side and also run the the dac into the little dot I+ to get the warmth of the tubes (as well as the benefit of the upgraded opamp).  I will post a thread comparing the two when this happens, but until then, I need to do my best to stay away from ebay... its dangerous.

 

... and when the come out with the LOD for the E7 I'll pick that up ... its a fiio product, so it will probably be under $20, not too much of a pinch.


Edited by stratowhammy - 9/30/10 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by stratowhammy View Post

I think I am going to wait on the DAC at least for a while... maybe if I come into $300 in my travels I'll pick it up.  Apparently the DACII has a very similar output to my little dot I+ minus the tubes, so it will be nice to compare the two side by side and also run the the dac into the little dot I+ to get the warmth of the tubes (as well as the benefit of the upgraded opamp).  I will post a thread comparing the two when this happens, but until then, I need to do my best to stay away from ebay... its dangerous.

 

... and when the come out with the LOD for the E7 I'll pick that up ... its a fiio product, so it will probably be under $20, not too much of a pinch.



Hi stratowhammy,

 

If you already have the I+ why not go with LD DAC_I if you go that route?  I have never listened to the Shures, so can't comment on them but a nice DAC will have you future-proof (if you stay away from this place..lol)...You can change cans, amps, interconnects etc. and your DAC will remain in place.  Plus, they are fun...

 

post #11 of 21

runswithaliens: My comment mainly had to do with the tonal balance.  If someone already has headphones similar in nature to the HD-600s and likes how they sound, then they'll prefer something similar-sounding, but more resolving. Ditto the HD-650s.

post #12 of 21

You absolutely need a DAC-01A. I was really amazed by it's big sound field and excellent bass and treble extension.

Let alone it has great performance-price ratio(ONLY about 170USD include shipping to US).

I bet you can't get a better one at this price tag.


Edited by justin520520 - 10/2/10 at 9:06am
post #13 of 21

justin: You seem to post about this DAC a lot, and you are from China.  Do you happen to have any kind of business relationship with someone selling these DACs, or are you selling them yourself?

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justin: You seem to post about this DAC a lot, and you are from China.  Do you happen to have any kind of business relationship with someone selling these DACs, or are you selling them yourself?


ouch! lolz
 

post #15 of 21

I totally agree with Currawong.

Update to a higher quality pair of headphones before you go standalone DAC.

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