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post #76 of 380
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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

The Cowon D3 + an Dac/Amp dont sound so portable to me just sayin.

More interested in the HO on this. And how it compare to the Hifiman 601 and 602.



I've tried a couple Cowons, d2+ and s9

 

And compared to my zune, same mp3 320kbps, grado sr80i, it sounded almost completely different

More clear mids, nice smooth bass, with a little roll, crisp treble

When two PMPs get so close to perfection, it's hard to tell the difference between high quality like a Hifiman or Cowon

 

Doesn't the 601 and 602 have internal amps?

 

anyone good with internals?

post #77 of 380

It really does look amazing. It seems like the perfect player for me. Hoping for prices to come down a little.

post #78 of 380

damn, this is perfect. The only reason I haven't bought the j3 yet is because of its lack of wifi.

post #79 of 380
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It really does look amazing. It seems like the perfect player for me. Hoping for prices to come down a little.



me too

 

have they released any info on battery life?

Most Cowons have great battery life, best in class battery life, yet they don't flaunt it like they do with the j3

 

The wifi probably kills the battery too

post #80 of 380

The battery life is 21 hours I think.

post #81 of 380
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 It sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even handled a Cowon player? I have (X5, D2, S9). I also have handled many other players (Ipod/itouch of different flavors, zune HD, creative etc). Every cowon player definitely had a "cowon" character and DNA. Whether from its uniquely "cowon" features (jeteffect, many customizations, record function etc), external controls, software implementation (or lack of one),  or even clunky UIs, each of these players felt distinctively "cowon." This cannot be said for other players that sometimes seemed to borrow Apple's cues too much.



There always has to be a spearhead for a new idea.

 


Yeah, it's an evolution of the D2, a touch screen player that was announced in 2006, well before the Touch existed. This doesn't even look like anything Apple's created. It looks more like a Nokia N8 than a Touch. What concepts have they taken that weren't obvious upgrades from past players? MAYBE wifi, but it's probably natural since Android is in it. Without internet access, Android is overkill. 1080P video? Nope, don't think a Touch has that.

 

Now...this or the X3...

post #82 of 380
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Originally Posted by SharkSkin View Post

The battery life is 21 hours I think.



yep, for music. video is 10 hrs.

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 It sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even handled a Cowon player? I have (X5, D2, S9). I also have handled many other players (Ipod/itouch of different flavors, zune HD, creative etc). Every cowon player definitely had a "cowon" character and DNA. Whether from its uniquely "cowon" features (jeteffect, many customizations, record function etc), external controls, software implementation (or lack of one),  or even clunky UIs, each of these players felt distinctively "cowon." This cannot be said for other players that sometimes seemed to borrow Apple's cues too much.



There always has to be a spearhead for a new idea.

 


Yeah, it's an evolution of the D2, a touch screen player that was announced in 2006, well before the Touch existed. This doesn't even look like anything Apple's created. It looks more like a Nokia N8 than a Touch. What concepts have they taken that weren't obvious upgrades from past players? MAYBE wifi, but it's probably natural since Android is in it. Without internet access, Android is overkill. 1080P video? Nope, don't think a Touch has that.

 

Now...this or the X3...



 



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Originally Posted by SharkSkin View Post

The battery life is 21 hours I think.


that is saddening

 

go from the j3 with 66 hours (probably doing nothing other then music, with no eq) to 21 hours MAYBE

 

still, it's better then a ipod

post #84 of 380

Will be getting both the D3 and the X3. I don't know why I gravitate so much to the number 3.

post #85 of 380
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Will be getting both the D3 and the X3. I don't know why I gravitate so much to the number 3.


Puede reserve ung 3 di gusto mo? wink_face.gif Just kidding, but it's going to be hard to decide...well depending on the price of the X3 actually. If it's somehow around $150, I think I'll be joining the FiiO crew, but this looks so sexy...

post #86 of 380

Yes i suppose it have an internal amp just like other PMP`s but how good is it. Is it on par with the Hifimans thats the question it seems to compete with 601 and maybe 602 pricevice.
 

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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

The Cowon D3 + an Dac/Amp dont sound so portable to me just sayin.

More interested in the HO on this. And how it compare to the Hifiman 601 and 602.



I've tried a couple Cowons, d2+ and s9

 

And compared to my zune, same mp3 320kbps, grado sr80i, it sounded almost completely different

More clear mids, nice smooth bass, with a little roll, crisp treble

When two PMPs get so close to perfection, it's hard to tell the difference between high quality like a Hifiman or Cowon

 

Doesn't the 601 and 602 have internal amps?

 

anyone good with internals?

post #87 of 380


I think cowon don't have internal amps, but great sound chips inside. Either way, only like 4% of headphones actualy need a amp to work properly.

My grados work well with everything including a unamped clip

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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

Yes i suppose it have an internal amp just like other PMP`s but how good is it. Is it on par with the Hifimans thats the question it seems to compete with 601 and maybe 602 pricevice.
 

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Originally Posted by BotByte View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

The Cowon D3 + an Dac/Amp dont sound so portable to me just sayin.

More interested in the HO on this. And how it compare to the Hifiman 601 and 602.



I've tried a couple Cowons, d2+ and s9

 

And compared to my zune, same mp3 320kbps, grado sr80i, it sounded almost completely different

More clear mids, nice smooth bass, with a little roll, crisp treble

When two PMPs get so close to perfection, it's hard to tell the difference between high quality like a Hifiman or Cowon

 

Doesn't the 601 and 602 have internal amps?

 

anyone good with internals?


 
post #88 of 380

I think you are a little misinformed, every PMP thats not acts only as a transport have a amp built in to it also your clip. so basically all headphone out have a amp connected to it. the question is how good it is. 

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I think cowon don't have internal amps, but great sound chips inside. Either way, only like 4% of headphones actualy need a amp to work properly.

My grados work well with everything including a unamped clip

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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

Yes i suppose it have an internal amp just like other PMP`s but how good is it. Is it on par with the Hifimans thats the question it seems to compete with 601 and maybe 602 pricevice.
 


 


Actually, every headphone needs an amp. There's another thread about this. Every digital audio player has an amplifier inside. Whether it's good or not to not need an external amp is up to you.

I really doubt that it would compete with the Hifimen in sound quality, with a flat EQ, but it'd be really nice if it could.

post #90 of 380
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Originally Posted by Very Legal View Post

I think you are a little misinformed, every PMP thats not acts only as a transport have a amp built in to it also your clip. so basically all headphone out have a amp connected to it. the question is how good it is. 


 

Well a amp is just a external factor, I'm not misinformed, I just base my knowledge on common thoughts shared (sound comes out of small player, it has to amplified before it reaches your phones) If a pmp has a better (lets call it) amp inside of it, I call it has more of a amp to it (meaning it amplifies better, or more)

 

In the case of a Sansa Clip, would have to have it on full volume to hear my Grados at a good volume (not loud, yet be able to listen to everything) to a Zune (because I use one) I can place it on 12, out of 30 for the same volume. Clip cannot amplify as well as a zune.

 

 

Take that to a higher quality pmp, like a cowon or hifiman, and they would be able to amplify a greater sq, as well as volume level.
 

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Actually, every headphone needs an amp. There's another thread about this. Every digital audio player has an amplifier inside. Whether it's good or not to not need an external amp is up to you.

I really doubt that it would compete with the Hifimen in sound quality, with a flat EQ, but it'd be really nice if it could.


 

Now, i've never heard a hifiman, yet people never compare them with Cowon (maybe for a better reason)

Yet I'm the type of person who it's not the little, tiny, itsy, bitsy, that makes the music better, yet the entirety of the deal.

 

I'd rather buy a cowon and have a large amount of memory, usage, and portability then somehting i can only listen to high quality music to.

I listen to a lot of boot leg live shows and audition tapes, so a better player would just brighten and worsen those little mistakes.

 

 

Can we get back to the Cowon D3?

 

Is it coming out Jan 1st in the states? Probably on Ebay huh?

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