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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post




No, kids.  Do not believe anyone who says its a personal preference thing.  In terms of signature as he said, this is true.  But 99% of all the other aspects there is usually a clear winner and you really cannot debate it.  Signature style and presentation in soundstage, and earpad style are really the only things you can debate.  The M50 is a great set, the 750 DJ is better.  My rating of each, if i missed a category let me know and ill add it in

 

M50 Vs 750dj point rating, 1 point for each area if it beats the other

 

-Bass Amount - 750dj 

-Bass Quality - 750 dj

-Clarity side by side - m50 but it was very close

-Versatility to play multiple genres well - 750 dj ( anyone willing to debate this? please feel free by testing classical and jazz on the m50 )

( separation on the 750 dj is clearly better and able to play classical and jazz incredibly well, while having perhaps the best coloration and presentation for rock and metal that ive ever heard in a sub $200 set )

-MSRP price - 750dj at $160 and M50 at $200

-Impedance - 750dj at 32ohm and M50 at 38ohm

-Sensitivity - 750 dj at 106db and m50 at 99db

-Isolation - Give it a tie both are at 12db 

-Detachable cable option to upgrade to a higher quality cord easily - 750dj

-Cable and connector quality - Tie, both use similar set ups

-Harmonic Distortion - Also a tie, too close to really care much

-Weight -750dj - 227g and m50 at 284g

-Wider Freq. Response - 750dj 5hz - 30khz  and m50 at 15-28hz

-Driver Size - 750DJ at 50mm and M50 at 45mm

-Earpad softness and quality - m50

-Earpad heat dissipation ( which one stays cooler and avoids getting hot ) - 750Dj 

-Headband fit - Tie, both have the right style arc for a human head without leaving lots of space on either side a'la Shure 840 style

( however, the 750dj vanishes on your head after a short time and the m50 never does.  Even though the earpads are not as soft as the m50, its clamp and overall angled design allows for them to rest on your ears with almost no clamp at all, the m50 does not do that )

-Build Quality - Ohh a tough one, this is debatable but I will say the M50 is more solid feeling but im terms of which plastics used on either set is more durable and strong?  Ive not a clue really, and dont want to break my sets to find out smily_headphones1.gif

 

im not trying to be a jerk, but in case you have never searched head fi before, there are topics left and right and all over the place asking which sets are the best for X value, and more than usually the same sets are listed for each.   The 750DJ is an overall better value and is harmonically more versatile for listening to multiple genre, it also has high quality bass and more of it.  *salutes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Almost half of these comparisons have no real value, for the sake of objectively comparing between both headphones.

post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post




No, kids.  Do not believe anyone who says its a personal preference thing.  In terms of signature as he said, this is true.  But 99% of all the other aspects there is usually a clear winner and you really cannot debate it.  Signature style and presentation in soundstage, and earpad style are really the only things you can debate.  The M50 is a great set, the 750 DJ is better.  My rating of each, if i missed a category let me know and ill add it in

 

M50 Vs 750dj point rating, 1 point for each area if it beats the other

 

-MSRP price - 750dj at $160 and M50 at $200

 

Street price - M50 @ $100 and 750dj @$150

 

-Impedance - 750dj at 32ohm and M50 at 38ohm

-Sensitivity - 750 dj at 106db and m50 at 99db

 

Debatable - M50 less susceptible to line noise and handles power better.

 

-Harmonic Distortion - Also a tie, too close to really care much

 

The M50 looks a little better to me especially in the low end but sure, we can call it a tie for the most part.

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=1&graphID[]=1473&graphID[]=2191

 

-Wider Freq. Response - 750dj 5hz - 30khz  and m50 at 15-28hz

 

I'll take a graph however meaningless over manufacturer specs IMO.  The 750 seems more V-shaped if the curve is top be believed.  I'd pick the M50 based on the FRC.

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=1473&graphID[]=2191

 

As for bass, I've seen more than a few posts saying the 750 was too big and boomy in comparison FWIR.  YMMV.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #33 of 45

the M50 is cheaper, about $50 which isn't much but still you can't say it's a better value. I men the M50 is not Creative Aurvana Lives as far as value go but they aren't expensive for what they offer. The problem with this discussion is there is simply no way to quantify "Better," without phsycially having the person who is looking to buy one of these use them. We can't tell someone what is better and when we try to it doesn't have any real value or really any truth to it. Furthmore what is better for me is not always better for you, so to insist something is better as a fact just doesn't hold any water due to it being an opinion.

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Almost half of these comparisons have no real value, for the sake of objectively comparing between both headphones.


 

This.

post #34 of 45

No. The clear winner is the one you prefer when used with your own equipment, for your own uses, and at the price you were willing to pay. You do the comparison. It is 100% valid and acceptable to consider either of these headphones or ANY other headphones (even $1 ear buds) as the "winner". Not everyone's criteria for how a "winner" should be determined is the same - nor should it be. The individual decides the winner - not someone else, any group, the use of a graph, a popularity contest, or poll. None of these decides a clear winner better than the individual can - for that individual.

 

Newbies especially seem to have a hard time grasping this and instead often pit headphones against each other in a contest as if others can better determine a "clear winner" for them. An analogy to help understand - blue and green are in a contest. Who chooses the winner and the criteria for determining the winner? It's a matter of preference - what you prefer for your uses, with your own equipment, and at the price you're willing to pay.

 

This is true because not everyone agrees on which headphones sound better. If there was a "clear winner" (for others or everyone) as some Head-Fiers will attempt to determine, then everyone would agree with the determination - and this just doesn't happen.

 

Sure, some headphones are more popular than others - but that hardly means "you" therefore must prefer those headphones over another. The clear winner? You do the comparison yourself. And if you don't mind, please post your results on Head-Fi. 
 

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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

No, kids.  Do not believe anyone who says its a personal preference thing.  In terms of signature as he said, this is true.  But 99% of all the other aspects there is usually a clear winner and you really cannot debate it.  Signature style and presentation in soundstage, and earpad style are really the only things you can debate.  The M50 is a great set, the 750 DJ is better.

Edited by 1Time - 10/1/10 at 5:45pm
post #35 of 45

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Pft, that's just ridiculous.  Obviously green wins.  Duh.

post #36 of 45
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Pft, that's just ridiculous.  Obviously green wins.  Duh.



hey , you owns HFI 580 and M50 ? Can you compare them in bass , comfortness , fun ....I need to get one for pop, trance , electronic , and I love BASS !!!!! thanks

post #37 of 45

I'm interested in these two as well. I'm kinda worried about the comfort of the 750dj. People seem mixed on that. For those of you who find it uncomfortable, how bad is it and why? As for the m50's, I heard that the 2010 models are different, and the bass is now a little weaker. Is this true? 

post #38 of 45

Well it's impossible to say you're wrong. Subjectivity is crucial, of course. And not even 100 similar opinions are to be taken too seriously. But if you can't try them (like me), and you need to know what the general consensus is, you make a poll. Of course you can be disappointed, but it probably won't be by much. Let's be honest, even with all the personal taste and unique-snowflake ears we have, don't you think the Senn HD800 sound better than the Skullcandy Hesh to, uhm, about 100% of this forum? There's always a guy in a cave willing to disagree, but even with subjectivity, in most cases there's an objective difference. And the sound is different!

 

You might not be able to tell a person "X cans are better than Y cans", that leaves a lot to the imagination, but you can tell them "X cans have tighter bass, Y cans have clearer mids", and the OP will take his own conclusions out of this.

 

Like I said, you're not at all wrong, but come on, in most cases there's a "winner"...

 

Of course in this case, I think the difference is really small. Like someone else mentioned above, you'll be happy with either. If you don't like one of these, you'll hardly love the other. They are very similar headphones

post #39 of 45

 

I've listened to both the the m50's and the srh750dj's.  Ended up getting the srh750djs.

 

For the type of music I listen to (Electronic, Rap, Hip-Hop, General bass prominent music), the bass in the m50 was a little too muddy and inaccurate for me.  The headphone was also a little too harsh for my tastes.  The srh750djs solved both problems and added a bit more too, which I like.  Bass is much more prominent and accurate.  The rest of the sound range is good.  I would categorize the Srh750dj as more fun and enjoyable headphones rather than for accurate, critical listening.  After a while listening to a pair of very well balanced headphones, I ended up bored; so that's why I went ahead and purchased the srh750djs.

 

So far so good, very enjoyable set.

 

Edit: not to say the srh750dj's aren't accurate.  I would say their little bit bass hump makes it less accurate than let's say, the srh840, or maybe the m50

post #40 of 45

I had no major comfort issue with the SRH750DJ 7/10, but then I found how to adjust and loosen its clamping force - repeatedly bend the headband back, flexing it only at the top/center of the headband. I found its sound to be very impactful throughout a wide frequency range from a sound card + amp. It has a fairly up front type of sound - as opposed to a more distant sound stage (which I prefer). I also found its sound to be quite analytical - as opposed to musical. Seems like it would be good for analyzing music or listening to its flaws. 


Edited by 1Time - 12/21/10 at 10:43pm
post #41 of 45

I am also considering a pair of hphones to buy but the more threads I read, the more I get confused on what to buy. 

 

Could i ask a favour, those who are decisive about which of these headphones is the "best," could you please vote in my poll: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/530867/poll-please-read-my-post-below-the-poll-first-before-voting-thanks-shure-srh840-audio-technica-ath-50-shure-srh440-beyerdynamic-dt770-creative-aurvana-live-headphones-srh750dj#post_7157851

 

Thanks loads! 
 

(Please read the post under the poll :) )

 

Thanks!

post #42 of 45

I just wanted to follow up on my previous post and say that I actually returned the 750djs and bought the M50s.  I could not deal with the comfort issue...just wearing them for 30 minutes made me take them off to air off my ears and take the strain off.  They generally needed more power as well and I didn't want to go out spending money on an amplifier.  After about 100 hours of break-in, the bass was still not to the levels (volume) that I hoped.  Although the bass is more accurate (deeper, tighter) in the 750djs, the volume was just more in the M50s for some reason (probably fit on my head) so they sounded louder to me.  I am happy with my M50s.
 

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I've listened to both the the m50's and the srh750dj's.  Ended up getting the srh750djs.

 

For the type of music I listen to (Electronic, Rap, Hip-Hop, General bass prominent music), the bass in the m50 was a little too muddy and inaccurate for me.  The headphone was also a little too harsh for my tastes.  The srh750djs solved both problems and added a bit more too, which I like.  Bass is much more prominent and accurate.  The rest of the sound range is good.  I would categorize the Srh750dj as more fun and enjoyable headphones rather than for accurate, critical listening.  After a while listening to a pair of very well balanced headphones, I ended up bored; so that's why I went ahead and purchased the srh750djs.

 

So far so good, very enjoyable set.

 

Edit: not to say the srh750dj's aren't accurate.  I would say their little bit bass hump makes it less accurate than let's say, the srh840, or maybe the m50

post #43 of 45

Thx for the update.

post #44 of 45

welll kids...dont believe what personal opinions says but what experts and researches says. click these links. m50 vs 750djs

 

http://www.frontendaudio.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Headphones-p/9999-02031.htm#read_reviews_here

http://www.headfonia.com/closed-cans-shootout-m-50-esw-9-t50p-hd25-1-beats-studio-srh-840-srh-750dj-k181dj-and-dj1pro/

http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/audio-technica-ath-m50.php

http://www.testfreaks.com/headphones-headsets/audio-technica-ath-m50/

 

believe in researches rather than personal opinions. be sure if you ask for opinions maker sure its research-based rather subject based.  

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welll kids...dont believe what personal opinions says but what experts and researches says. click these links. m50 vs 750djs

 

http://www.frontendaudio.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Headphones-p/9999-02031.htm#read_reviews_here

http://www.headfonia.com/closed-cans-shootout-m-50-esw-9-t50p-hd25-1-beats-studio-srh-840-srh-750dj-k181dj-and-dj1pro/

http://www.headphone.com/selection-guide/audio-technica-ath-m50.php

http://www.testfreaks.com/headphones-headsets/audio-technica-ath-m50/

 

believe in researches rather than personal opinions. be sure if you ask for opinions maker sure its research-based rather subject based.  

If I ever post one thing on this site it will have to be this cause I've echoed it since my inception into this hobby.

 

No review, no opinion, no voice is more important then your ears. No "Research," and a flashy website will make anyone more able to judge your ears. Anyone who claims their is, is either a salesmen or a lier.

 

Oh and I posted this a while back in the "My ears MUST be Broken" thread. Needless to say this post was well received and it was a summation of my pondering over the last few months.

 

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AM I the only who doesn't think in terms of "Better?"

 

Listen all headphones are shades of colors, Bass heavies are Blue, Mids are Green, Trebles are Red. From their on they are just different shades of those three mixing the three colors as you blend signatures, the more neutral you get the more black you get. The more Treble Bass IE V shaped sound Sig the more purple you are, the more mid heavy the more vegetarian you are and I'm a meat eater so I don't care about mids( not to the point that I'd seak them out with the big money).

 

Then we have Fidelity, it's the Fi to your Hi. Even this doesn't really go Low-Fi <Mid-fi<Hi-fi. It's more about Sound Texture, is it dark or warm or sibilant, is it boomy or punchy or deep with plenty of body. Does it  have plenty of emotion does it immerse you, is the signature aggressive or sweet like candy. It is smooth, is it analytical, is it practical, is it relaxing, is it taxing, is it stress full, is it harsh, is it right, is it dry, is it bright, is it energetic. This Is fidelity and we all have a different opinion on it. To understand where the idea of fidelity starts is to truly know ourselves in order to make smart purchases that are correct for us, we must listen with our ears before we lay down the money. 

 

A more technical explanation of what fidelity is, is to know what harmonics are. Recently I watched Dave Rats "Ultimate Headphone," where he studies many many good sets all of which he says are amazing but for what he is looking for IE LIVE SOUND he must watch frequency balance AND Harmonics to determine what is live sound on a mathematical level.

Harmonics are where you study various frequency when they are the only thing meant to be played, you notice depending on your sound signature the harmonics will shape each note differently and in there lies the  measurable representation of the sound something our ears here but couldn't begin to fathom, with testing I'm fairly sure we can  figure it out, it's not terribly complex of an idea.

 

The point being that you don't need to be a rocket scientist to pick up a porta pro and like it then pick up an HD800 and really not think it was a huge improvement if you understand their is no "Better" there is no progression, their is no standard of excellence. There is no objective truth that trumps all things when it comes to headphones their are only shades of Blue, Green, and red and the Harmonics they employ to bring enjoyment and it's version of Musical Nirvana to the ears and hearts of the audiophiles who endlessly chase this dragon yet will never catch it.



 


 


Edited by SoSpecial - 1/10/11 at 3:27am
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